elyid
Gerry Armstrong
Yeah afraid of that too.
As someone with obligations that mean I can't easily travel to see family during the 23rd - 27th window, that wouldn't be good.
I think there's a chance they will push Lockdown 3 back to Jan though.
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Yeah afraid of that too.
As someone with obligations that mean I can't easily travel to see family during the 23rd - 27th window, that wouldn't be good.
I think there's a chance they will push Lockdown 3 back to Jan though.
nayenezgani
Jimmy Neighbour
@scaramanga @Legohamster you guys were big fans of Sweden's "fudge it, let em all die" approach, yeah? #herdimmunity
Graph is fairly meaningless without an accurate measure of how many are immune.
nayenezgani
Jimmy Neighbour
The massively high number of human deaths isn't meaningless though, is it?
It is if you ignore the benefit.
nayenezgani
Jimmy Neighbour
The benefit of massive amounts of human death? Are you hearing yourself? What benefit have countries like Sweden and the USA's approach brought them?
More immunity, more continuity for business. Less government power creep, less teaching younger generations that screeching fearfulness trumps a stiff upper lip.
awesome dawson
Mitchell Thomas
@nayenezgani i think you know by now that there’s zero chance of him admitting that he’s wrong. Just enjoy how he’s looking like a prize prat on this subject. Everyone can die because it’s not his family and most importantly his bank account is healthy. He’s rich you know. Very rich. Drives an Aston Martin.
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
It certainly indicates death is more likely than immunity - you can work that out without the other measure
How do you work that out?
Death rate is around 0.5% - immunity is 19 times more likely than death. Take the old and the obese out of those numbers and immunity is even more likely.
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thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
Sadly, in the case of the US, you are absolutely wrong. There has not been more immunity, there has not been more continuity for business and the government has been creeping into the diseased brains of millions of macarons to tell them that there is a "fix" in, that Covid is part of that "fix" and that if they all send the orange one enough money he will continue to fund a dictatorial attempt to take over anyway (natch stuff his personal coffers full of cash to help pay off the massive legal bills he will face post January 20th).
The truth is, no capitalist government is prepared to pay what it takes to keep people home/safe/socially distanced for the amount of time necessary to take charge. We will now live with this forever. It is going nowhere and vaccines will be our route back to normalcy.
I personally believe there will be more than one strain of covid19 in circulation right now, but that is ignorant speculation and nothing more (I am -as you know- not a scientist).
The US is certainly a 'special' case.
Certainly in Europe though, there's a clear split between those who want to cower and wait until someone else makes it all better for them and those who can cope with adversity and are able to continue their lives.
Some people just get swept up in news reports and panic. Others are more capable of independent thought and rationalism.
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ricky2tricky4city
Tom Huddlestone
And you could argue that's a problem for those who govern, trying to balance things to keep as many people as happy as possible. Of course that approach rarely works...a half fudge all round.
awesome dawson
Mitchell Thomas
So the US version of Covid 19 is different to the European version?
awesome dawson
Mitchell Thomas
Scott Morrison says hi.
The US reaction is.
Religion and all the nonsense that comes with it means you can't compare their politics to other "developed" countries. Almost their entire country votes against their own economic interests to further or halt the progression of right wing Christianity.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
That clam is as bad as Johnson. He did fudge all to fight Covid and applied a ton of political pressure on the states to open up too early. All credit goes to the state premiers and not to that clown.
awesome dawson
Mitchell Thomas
I agree, I just couldn’t be arsed listing all the Premiers. Truth is Daniel Andrews is the one who probably came through all this with the best reputation for following the science.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
Errrr...there is a "bit" more to it than that old chum. Really. There is. In fact, if you want to tag a movement as having had it's paws in American politics more than any other for the last two decades, try racism and economic fascism.
Even so, very few Americans I meet ever have much interest in the economy as a whole when it comes to voting. The social side of things get far more play there than here.
Can't remember what the exact proportion was but a really scary majority said they'd never vote for an atheist as president in a poll.