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Hotshot-Tottenham
Edgar Davids
That’s not quite the point is it.
It's what matters.
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
Are you still in Beds?
Certainly in London there is are plenty - I know primary teachers from Canada, NZ and Australia and they have dedicated agencies.
All of which have/are leaving as London is pointless in a pandemic.
The opportunities exist for commonwealth workers to work here temporarily - but little incentive to stay long term.
It may be that our plan - essentially have a never ending supply of "supply" teachers and nurses. It would save £ on wage increases, but seems like a very risky strategy for delivery of essential services.
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
And is part of the point I was making - very few people from developed nations are moving to the UK to live in the suburbs.
They are coming to experience something that a larger city offers. And with that comes higher costs of living. So when you want to live in the suburbs you go back home.
Hotshot-Tottenham
Edgar Davids
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
Yeah
I live opposite two primary schools and know most of the teachers at both for varying reasons
when I used to work for Tesco we had an engineering grad form the windies. Some how his work permit got roostered up and he was escorted out by the immigration authorities. He has a permit to study here but never got a work one
I really don’t mind where anyone comes from. It’s why I live Bedford as it’s very very integrated and tolerant. My Devi’s. a giant Nigerian. The osteopath I see is French (and stuck in France). The band I was in was mainly Italian. My road is in a posh part of town and we have 3 Asian families near us and at least 3 italian families. We all get on great and the food is amazing
When I had shoulder surgery the dr was South African and the two nurses were Lithuanian and Czech (that was at Cambridge)
I’ve regularly had to correct my racist right wing friends who I know form going to Tottenham mainly that don’t forget that without all the people you don’t want here we have no health service, no basics amenities and none of their favourite restaurants
but I voted for Brexit. I was working for a client looking after Merrill lynch who told very member of staff of you vote to leave we will make you all redundant. That was enough for me. And I say that as someone who does a LOT of international business, has traveled a lot for business (never really been Southern Hemisphere though) and has friends form all over the world.
the other main reason I had was I’ve worked with a lot of ex colonials and it was getting harder and harder for them to remain here (again their words). Yet I knew some unskilled people from Europe who had no issues. I’m kinda of the belief that we took over those countries. Pillaged some of them and as such IMO should be giving them more back. But again that’s just my opinion
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
So Johnson stopped short of making the at home instruction law I think?
The wording was "we are asking you to...."
The wording was "we are asking you to...."
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
Exactly. So back to your original point, if we want to get and keep ex colony workers from developed nations we need to offer reasons to settle here or accept a constant flow and turnover in key professions.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
Well the ones I know have come here for the ££ mainly
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
And Astra Zenica say they can produce 1-2m per week.
His 16.7m is obviously someone putting the best case scenario on a slide and him presenting it as "fact" (he should post here!)
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
Then you better hope there is sufficient supply from those places with a lower quality of life across all key sectors.
Although I do suspect we'll see a big increase in salary and benefits for key workers under a labour government as it'll be a political vote winner.
I think we may have hijacked the covid thread a bit! Whoops
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
I’m not talking key worker roles where I have mainly had experience. Mine are mainly private sector professional roles. Weirdly a lot of SA lawyers. A lot of french buyers and a lot of Spanish guys in logistics.
Legohamster
Cecil Poynton
With the amount of doctors/nurses/care workers/even vets!!! That can be trained up theres no reason We shouldn’t be hitting 500k a day
we have football stadiums/airports/schools/unis/colleges all empty so we have the space
the only reason we can’t hit a high daily target is the government.
Where is this number from, the BBC say those groups are 12m people. Either way some of that group won't want the vaccine.
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
I think it's production levels too?
Astra Zenica say 1-2m production per week.
And that's with no hiccups.
We also won't be the only buyer and most vulnerable should get priority globally.
For anyone under 50 i think it'll be 2022 for the vaccine
Legohamster
Cecil Poynton
We have more of the other one coming as well I believe.
Oxford are saying they have all the vaccines good to go and don’t see any issues.
Moderna Should get the go ahead soon as well
I think u50s without conditions will be optional
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
Not produced. Astra Zenica says they expect to supply "millions in the first Qtr."
We have 100m doses on order. They haven't all been manufactured.
So best case scenario for that to be fulfilled is a year.