Baleforce
Ron Henry
Lloris did play well (particularly his sweeping) but we had a generally solid unit back then, he wasn't having to make wonder saves every week as we gave up very few clear cut chances.
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Transfer Rumour Thread
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Lloris did play well (particularly his sweeping) but we had a generally solid unit back then, he wasn't having to make wonder saves every week as we gave up very few clear cut chances.
Legohamster
Cecil Poynton
Completely agree, he was completely miss-managed here.
Even playing out of position he contributed more than most of our creative players last year, I still can not believe we let him go and kept others.
obviously this topic very hypothetical, and no-one can definitively prove anything either way. but its worth noting that when big big players like bale, modric, c.ronaldo, fabregas, rvp, henry, torres etc leave their clubs, the club very rarely has any dramatic fall in perfomance the following year. in the cases of the players mentioned above, a number of times, the club actually went on to perform better than they had done previously.
often those players only look as good as they did because of the way the team was set up to suit them, and maximise their qualities. hence you sometimes see players those players not play so well at their new clubs. highlighted by the very extreme cases of torres and shevchenko. when teams sell on these stars, they often find a new way of playing, and are able to produce similar overall results to that of before. big problems only really occur when a whole nucleus of a team is sold off. thats why arsenal are always where they are despite losing a key player every other year.
also, sometimes these superstar players inhibit other players who could otherwise shine more in other teams/setups. ie. ronaldo on ozil/di maria/isco/benzema etc if ronaldo wasnt there, im sure all those other guys' goals and assist stats would increase. the rise of bale meant that someone like lennon had to take a more defensive role. fabregas really became worldclass once henry was sold off. once rvp's 30 goals a year was sold to utd, guys like walcott really started to increase their number of goals. basically, rvp's goals were spread around the team, compared to before, when rvp was arguably the only source of consistent goals.
zlatan is probably the perfect example of a player who is undoubtably world class, but massively inhibits his teammates. and without ronaldo or messi im confident guys like di maria and pedro would have been recognised footballers.
Football is more of a team game than many fans think, and its important to have a whole set of good players, rather than 1 or 2 superstars.
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Says in the Standard that one of the Italian clubs think he's about to sign for Chelsea. The classic 'let's sign him so nobody else get to'.
Bullet
Luka Modric
Never heard of him. I'm sure Spurs would soon turn him into a 3 goal a season striker with a host of fluffed chances and sub appearances.
I assume Berahino et al would score 37 in 19 in a league like that?
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I'm not convinced by him yet. There's just a niggly thing that makes me think he'll be the next Defoe.
paxtonwolf
John White
The bloke who is our 5th highest scorer of all-time...yes please, I will take a striker like that all day long
paxtonwolf
John White
Borussia Dortmund boss Jurgen Klopp has admitted he would be open to offers from Premier League clubs, saying England is the only other country in which he would consider working. (Daily Mail)
Aw bummer. 4 months too late, not that we would have had a chance of him coming to WHL I suppose
Aw bummer. 4 months too late, not that we would have had a chance of him coming to WHL I suppose
Lost Mango
Allan Nielsen
Reminds me of Defoe as well but seems to have a better grasp of the offside rule. The question is whether he is as streaky as JD. I'd take him though.
Cochise
Steve Carr
More like Klopp missed his window. There were quite a few clubs who wanted him last summer.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Aa lot said the same about Sturridge who injuries aside is a class act.
ALtottenham_hotspur
Jamie Redknapp
Berahino was talked about on the football ramble, apparently Berahino believes in his own hype, a very arrogant young man. James Morrison apparently knocked him out once
Not sure if I want him at Spurs
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
Wouldn't disagree with any of that, largely because I've believed it (and spent a decade coaching it with youths) my entire life. Indeed, you might remember myself, GB and a couple of others stating that AVB had set us up in his first season to maximize the potential of one star by using the team as base and supplier. My point was that I do not use stats to measure matters of performance. But I'll bet I could single out at least7 goals he saved which would've taken points from us. As for Bale, well, he won us many points.,yes, the team was built to give him that platform of effectiveness and stats for that season will never give that sort of context
El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Berahino was talked about on the football ramble, apparently Berahino believes in his own hype, a very arrogant young man. James Morrison apparently knocked him out once
Not sure if I want him at Spurs
Arrogance is ok, as long as they have the ability to go with it. Talking extremes, Ronaldo has always been considered to be arrogant and yet I doubt that any of you would refuse his move to our club if there were ever any chance.
No, instead a player needs to possess the right working attitude & the right skillset. The real question is whether Berahino possess these skills. I would prefer us to sign Ings but I'm open to the alternative.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Manchester United have agreed a deal with Bayern Munich which would see Spanish summer signing Ander Herrera, 25, depart for Germany in exchange for £7m and another midfielder -
Meanwhile, Atletico Madrid are willing to accept a £20m offer from Manchester United for 30-year-old Brazil centre-back Miranda. (Daily Star Sunday)
Everton are set to offer £10m for Basel striker Breel Embolo, 17, who came to their attention in the Swiss club's win against Liverpool in the Champions League in October. (Sun - subscription required)
Chelsea are lining up a £20m summer move for Everton's 26-year-old Republic of Ireland right-back Seamus Coleman. (Mail on Sunday)
Liverpool's 32-year-old England striker Rickie Lambert, a £4m signing in the summer, could return to his old club Southampton on a six-month loan deal in January. (Express)
And the Reds are preparing a £10m bid to sign England Under-21 winger Nathan Redmond, 20, from Norwich in January. (Daily Star Sunday)
Tottenham and Aston Villa are working on a swap deal involving midfielder Fabian Delph, 25, going to White Hart Lane with Spurs midfielder Lewis Holtby, 24, making the move in the opposite direction. (Sun - subscription required)
Hull City boss Steve Bruce says top clubs are already sniffing around £12m-rated Scotland full-back Andy Robertson, 20, who joined the Tigers from Dundee United in the summer. (Sunday People)
Five officials with connections to Fifa who were involved in the bidding process for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups are at the centre of a Swiss criminal investigation, according to Jerome Champagne, who is currently the only rival to Sepp Blatter for next year's Fifa presidential election. (Mail on Sunday)
Meanwhile, Fifa vice-president Jim Boyce says world football's governing body must make the full findings of its World Cup corruption inquiry available to its executives. (Telegraph)
Arsenal are set to offer England midfielder Jack Wheelchair, 22, a new five-year deal that will put him among the club's top earners with wages of around £150,000 a week. (Sunday Mirror)
Express
Former Liverpool midfielder Jan Molby has urged Reds boss Brendan Rodgers to give midfielder Adam Lallana, 26, a run of games "to get his Anfield career off the ground". (Daily Star)
Meanwhile, some senior Liverpool players are frustrated with Rodgers for his perceived favouritism towards Italy striker Mario Balotelli, 24, who has scored only twice in 14 appearances for the Reds this season. (Sunday Mirror)
Meanwhile, Liverpool skipper Steven Gerrard, 34, is eager to see German midfielder Emre Can, 20, make his mark at Anfield following his summer move from Bayer Leverkusen. (Guardian)
Neil Warnock's job as Crystal Palace manager is already under threat after a five-game winless run, amid claims that a number of players are unimpressed by the 65-year-old's methods. (Sunday People)
England manager Roy Hodgson wants to hold an informal get-together of his squad over the winter to build on the feel-good factor ahead of the next round of Euro 2016 qualifiers. (Telegraph)
Meanwhile, Atletico Madrid are willing to accept a £20m offer from Manchester United for 30-year-old Brazil centre-back Miranda. (Daily Star Sunday)
Everton are set to offer £10m for Basel striker Breel Embolo, 17, who came to their attention in the Swiss club's win against Liverpool in the Champions League in October. (Sun - subscription required)
Chelsea are lining up a £20m summer move for Everton's 26-year-old Republic of Ireland right-back Seamus Coleman. (Mail on Sunday)
Liverpool's 32-year-old England striker Rickie Lambert, a £4m signing in the summer, could return to his old club Southampton on a six-month loan deal in January. (Express)
And the Reds are preparing a £10m bid to sign England Under-21 winger Nathan Redmond, 20, from Norwich in January. (Daily Star Sunday)
Tottenham and Aston Villa are working on a swap deal involving midfielder Fabian Delph, 25, going to White Hart Lane with Spurs midfielder Lewis Holtby, 24, making the move in the opposite direction. (Sun - subscription required)
Hull City boss Steve Bruce says top clubs are already sniffing around £12m-rated Scotland full-back Andy Robertson, 20, who joined the Tigers from Dundee United in the summer. (Sunday People)
Five officials with connections to Fifa who were involved in the bidding process for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups are at the centre of a Swiss criminal investigation, according to Jerome Champagne, who is currently the only rival to Sepp Blatter for next year's Fifa presidential election. (Mail on Sunday)
Meanwhile, Fifa vice-president Jim Boyce says world football's governing body must make the full findings of its World Cup corruption inquiry available to its executives. (Telegraph)
Arsenal are set to offer England midfielder Jack Wheelchair, 22, a new five-year deal that will put him among the club's top earners with wages of around £150,000 a week. (Sunday Mirror)
Express
Former Liverpool midfielder Jan Molby has urged Reds boss Brendan Rodgers to give midfielder Adam Lallana, 26, a run of games "to get his Anfield career off the ground". (Daily Star)
Meanwhile, some senior Liverpool players are frustrated with Rodgers for his perceived favouritism towards Italy striker Mario Balotelli, 24, who has scored only twice in 14 appearances for the Reds this season. (Sunday Mirror)
Meanwhile, Liverpool skipper Steven Gerrard, 34, is eager to see German midfielder Emre Can, 20, make his mark at Anfield following his summer move from Bayer Leverkusen. (Guardian)
Neil Warnock's job as Crystal Palace manager is already under threat after a five-game winless run, amid claims that a number of players are unimpressed by the 65-year-old's methods. (Sunday People)
England manager Roy Hodgson wants to hold an informal get-together of his squad over the winter to build on the feel-good factor ahead of the next round of Euro 2016 qualifiers. (Telegraph)
