Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Trying to blame the players to cover up his own incompetence.
Trying to blame the players to cover up his own incompetence.
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Tim Sherwood…gone \o/
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milo
Jack L. Jones
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I'm not so sure. The development squad were doing well under him before. It is his working relationship with Levy, Baldini and his coaching staff that should probably determine whether he could go back to the role.
I'm not so sure. The development squad were doing well under him before. It is his working relationship with Levy, Baldini and his coaching staff that should probably determine whether he could go back to the role.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Sherwood is a lame duck now. He knows it and we know it. Trying to pick some positives out of his time I would have to say Bentaleb's emergence and bringing Ade back into the fold are in the plus column. Performances have been going downhill for a while now and it's because of his desperation to keep the job he's made erratic decisions in a vain attempt to stumble across the magic formula IMO. He didn't find it and the strain is clearly showing in his sometimes ill advised comments to the media, but I would love to see him accept the reality of his situation and do some good for the club in his remaining matches.
I would like to see these three Chadli/Eriksen/Lamela behind Soldado for a few matches and try and help him find his scoring form and a bit confidence going into the summer. I'd also like to see Fryers given more time at LB, and a few other off form players given a few games without the risk of being benched.
Sherwood is a lame duck now. He knows it and we know it. Trying to pick some positives out of his time I would have to say Bentaleb's emergence and bringing Ade back into the fold are in the plus column. Performances have been going downhill for a while now and it's because of his desperation to keep the job he's made erratic decisions in a vain attempt to stumble across the magic formula IMO. He didn't find it and the strain is clearly showing in his sometimes ill advised comments to the media, but I would love to see him accept the reality of his situation and do some good for the club in his remaining matches.
I would like to see these three Chadli/Eriksen/Lamela behind Soldado for a few matches and try and help him find his scoring form and a bit confidence going into the summer. I'd also like to see Fryers given more time at LB, and a few other off form players given a few games without the risk of being benched.
Destroy All Gooners
Stuart Nethercott
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Six more games left until we are hopefully shot of this clown [-o<
Six more games left until we are hopefully shot of this clown [-o<
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I disagree. For me:
- The EL will give LVG a perfect chance to get his system embedded in a less high pressure situation
- You can't keep a squad the size you need to compete for the top 4 if you don't have European football. European competing team can maybe keep a squad of 22 senior players. Non-European competing teams probably have to drop down nearer 18. Liverpool's smaller senior squad have been so lucky with injuries it is ridiculous. That wouldn't happen with us.
- I don't really see the difference between EL and CL. How can you want one but not the other? I want us to win things. I don't want us to concentrate on Wenger's 'top 4 trophy'.
I disagree. For me:
- The EL will give LVG a perfect chance to get his system embedded in a less high pressure situation
- You can't keep a squad the size you need to compete for the top 4 if you don't have European football. European competing team can maybe keep a squad of 22 senior players. Non-European competing teams probably have to drop down nearer 18. Liverpool's smaller senior squad have been so lucky with injuries it is ridiculous. That wouldn't happen with us.
- I don't really see the difference between EL and CL. How can you want one but not the other? I want us to win things. I don't want us to concentrate on Wenger's 'top 4 trophy'.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
He inherited the excellent setup Inglethorp and McDermott had built over 5 years and didn't manage to balls it up in his 15 months in charge.
His latest thing was that he wants Baldini's job anyway.
He inherited the excellent setup Inglethorp and McDermott had built over 5 years and didn't manage to balls it up in his 15 months in charge.
His latest thing was that he wants Baldini's job anyway.
mudshark
Chris Armstrong
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Clearly, there was; I, for one, couldn't disagree with Sherwood there at all, and in fact, I've been saying all season that we've too many technically average players. On the other hand, if I were Levy, I might consider myself entitled to ask why, if that's the case, I was being flannelled in December and January that the squad was good enough for top 4.
Clearly, there was; I, for one, couldn't disagree with Sherwood there at all, and in fact, I've been saying all season that we've too many technically average players. On the other hand, if I were Levy, I might consider myself entitled to ask why, if that's the case, I was being flannelled in December and January that the squad was good enough for top 4.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I don't agree. In 2003/4 Pleat had been responsible for assembling a poor squad and we needed wholesale changes behind the scenes for the club to move forwards. In other words, the area which Pleat had been responsible for before becoming caretaker was the problem.
In 2013/14 Sherwood was responsible for a successful development squad. We have produced a steady stream of Premier League/Championship quality players, are doing well in competitions and seemingly recruiting/attracting quality youth players. We can argue where/when this started but the fact is it was continuing to work well under Sherwood.
This is a completely different scenario to 2003/4. Whether Sherwood could or should step back his old role is more to do with his ambitions and his working relationship with his team and those he reports to. I have no idea what those are like or if they have been affected by his stint in charge of the first team.
I don't agree. In 2003/4 Pleat had been responsible for assembling a poor squad and we needed wholesale changes behind the scenes for the club to move forwards. In other words, the area which Pleat had been responsible for before becoming caretaker was the problem.
In 2013/14 Sherwood was responsible for a successful development squad. We have produced a steady stream of Premier League/Championship quality players, are doing well in competitions and seemingly recruiting/attracting quality youth players. We can argue where/when this started but the fact is it was continuing to work well under Sherwood.
This is a completely different scenario to 2003/4. Whether Sherwood could or should step back his old role is more to do with his ambitions and his working relationship with his team and those he reports to. I have no idea what those are like or if they have been affected by his stint in charge of the first team.
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
This is what annoys me about this season? Sherwood claims we are technically mismatched, so this justifies getting pummelled by Chelsea & Liverpool 4-0 and Emirates Marketing Project 5-1.
How come then, that West Ham, who probably have a much bigger gap to bridge technically than we do, can give these clubs a tough game, were unfortunate to lose to Liverpool yesterday narrowly and got a draw at Stamford Bridge? How come Villa dominated and beat Chelsea?
It's like EVERY OTHER team in the division are better at playing the top teams than we are. To me its about how the manager sets us out, mentally and tactically.
Sherwood has no coaching qualifications and no managerial experience. The guy is going up against Mourinho, Pellegrini, Rogers and Wenger and just winging it. No wonder we're getting pummelled out of sight by these teams.
This is what annoys me about this season? Sherwood claims we are technically mismatched, so this justifies getting pummelled by Chelsea & Liverpool 4-0 and Emirates Marketing Project 5-1.
How come then, that West Ham, who probably have a much bigger gap to bridge technically than we do, can give these clubs a tough game, were unfortunate to lose to Liverpool yesterday narrowly and got a draw at Stamford Bridge? How come Villa dominated and beat Chelsea?
It's like EVERY OTHER team in the division are better at playing the top teams than we are. To me its about how the manager sets us out, mentally and tactically.
Sherwood has no coaching qualifications and no managerial experience. The guy is going up against Mourinho, Pellegrini, Rogers and Wenger and just winging it. No wonder we're getting pummelled out of sight by these teams.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I think fans need to decide what they want though. When we have 'system' managers, and we go through bad form, there is ALWAYS a load of complaints that the players are too restricted, the tactics are too rigid, the football is not entertaining, there is no Plan B, the system is not adaptable enough etc etc. Then we get a 'give the players the freedom to express themselves' type manager and everything is hunky dory for a bit, we beat the teams we have better players than, and lose to teams that have better players than us.
No doubt we should be giving the top 4 a better game, and with better coaching we could have been up there ourselves, or at least a lot closer to them. But it seems like the fans, and the club, can't see through the tough times to get to the good stuff. The reason we are looking so bad is because we built a squad to play well in a system, but who don't have the individual flair in enough abundance to do well when given the freedom.
Neither approach is bad. To give players freedom doesn't mean you are winging it and to give them a system does not been you are being overly restrictive. We need to decide what kind of club we want to be and be happy with it.
I think fans need to decide what they want though. When we have 'system' managers, and we go through bad form, there is ALWAYS a load of complaints that the players are too restricted, the tactics are too rigid, the football is not entertaining, there is no Plan B, the system is not adaptable enough etc etc. Then we get a 'give the players the freedom to express themselves' type manager and everything is hunky dory for a bit, we beat the teams we have better players than, and lose to teams that have better players than us.
No doubt we should be giving the top 4 a better game, and with better coaching we could have been up there ourselves, or at least a lot closer to them. But it seems like the fans, and the club, can't see through the tough times to get to the good stuff. The reason we are looking so bad is because we built a squad to play well in a system, but who don't have the individual flair in enough abundance to do well when given the freedom.
Neither approach is bad. To give players freedom doesn't mean you are winging it and to give them a system does not been you are being overly restrictive. We need to decide what kind of club we want to be and be happy with it.
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indianspur
Guest
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
how about a bit of both....the guys currently at the top, Pellegrini, Rodgers, Wenger, Martinez all have a system they rely on but also give their players the freedom to express themselves within it
how about a bit of both....the guys currently at the top, Pellegrini, Rodgers, Wenger, Martinez all have a system they rely on but also give their players the freedom to express themselves within it
Millsy_Yiddo
Naybet
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Breaking News on SSN. He's gone in the summer 'according to sources'.
Breaking News on SSN. He's gone in the summer 'according to sources'.
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Serge Aurier
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
With Ruud Gullit saying LVG its obvious. Not even gonna bother going tonight, was 50/50 but gona let my seat be empty.
With Ruud Gullit saying LVG its obvious. Not even gonna bother going tonight, was 50/50 but gona let my seat be empty.
THFC6061
Paul Robinson
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
- Being outplayed does not instantly translate into "technical mismatch"
- A team having more motivation, a better formation, a game plan, a tactic (e.g. target Rose) does not equal "technical mismatch"
- You might be closer to the truth if you call the Pool game a tactical mismatch, but then the manager might be in some way accountable.
Sherwood is really a **** version of Rednapp
- Harry was a media manipulator, on pitch was mostly a motivator, but understood that "simplifying" the game for players and letting a few very good players in the team have freedom could give great results. Harry's glass ceiling (which was high) came about once he had gotten the most individually out of his players, he wanted better players (instead of a team ethos)
- Sherwood has no idea what the **** he's doing with interviews, doesn't motivate players, did figure out more attacking players = more opportunities to score, can't get the best individually out of his players, isn't getting the team to work.
I cannot see a single reason why this guy should be managing our match today, literally I believe having no one in charge would be more beneficial (ask Ledley to pick the team sheet)
- Being outplayed does not instantly translate into "technical mismatch"
- A team having more motivation, a better formation, a game plan, a tactic (e.g. target Rose) does not equal "technical mismatch"
- You might be closer to the truth if you call the Pool game a tactical mismatch, but then the manager might be in some way accountable.
Sherwood is really a **** version of Rednapp
- Harry was a media manipulator, on pitch was mostly a motivator, but understood that "simplifying" the game for players and letting a few very good players in the team have freedom could give great results. Harry's glass ceiling (which was high) came about once he had gotten the most individually out of his players, he wanted better players (instead of a team ethos)
- Sherwood has no idea what the **** he's doing with interviews, doesn't motivate players, did figure out more attacking players = more opportunities to score, can't get the best individually out of his players, isn't getting the team to work.
I cannot see a single reason why this guy should be managing our match today, literally I believe having no one in charge would be more beneficial (ask Ledley to pick the team sheet)
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Serge Aurier
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
yep, makes no sense at all. Its just a polite way of saying "you are sacked" in the summer.
yep, makes no sense at all. Its just a polite way of saying "you are sacked" in the summer.