Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

[Danishfurniturelover]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Ahhhhhh another nice little story in what is one of the most farcical seasons I can remember at this club.

Not saying it is wrong for Sherwood to be relieved of managerial duties, but we sacked an actual manager because we presumably thought this guy would do a better job of getting all of our signings playing some nice Spurs type football and winning points in the process. The fact that he didn't even get to the end of the season before being able to review his progress shows that yet another Levy experiment has been a failure IMO. What was the point of him sitting up in the stands for the last few games also? Pretty much any learning he was doing has been rendered meaningless :ross:

If it's LvG, it really has to be last chance saloon for Levy. Or at the very least he remains at the club to see through the stadium project but leaves the football decisions to someone else. I don't think his philosophy on business has ever really married well with the philosophy we need on the pitch as a club.

I have already given up on Levy, it is a scatter gun approach to managers with this guy. Do not get me wrong Sherwood is not good enough for us and I will love it if we get someone as good as LVG but with our chairman I am pretty sure even LVG will end up in failure. Levy is a bigger fool then deadly doug ellis and knows about as much as football as him.

 

[DublinSpur]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

"Sky sources" have been wrong in the past. But in this case I hope they're not.

Some took an instant dislike to him, but I was more than happy to give Sherwood a chance when he took over. He certainly wasn't my first choice, but deep down I pretty much wrote off the season when AVB was sacked and I kind of assumed Sherwood was a caretaker manager in all but name (didn't everyone?). Sure, if he managed to finish top 2 or 3 and put in amazing performances and took a run at the Europa League... well, then I'd be happy to renew his contract (though I suspect some would have begrudged him even under those circumstances). But that dream was over quite a few weeks ago. So in my eyes he was always just the caretaker until Levy could reassess the situation in the summer. And to be honest, I can't get angry at a young inexperienced caretaker manager who suspects he's in over his head, is doing his best and is terrified he's going to feck up on the big stage and torpedo his career before it's even started.

The ideal situation? It should be announced tonight before the match that Sherwood will be returning to his role in Youth Development at the end of the season where he will also act as advisor to the new manager: (INSERT BIG NAME MANAGER HERE). What's more, (BIG NAME MANAGER) is sitting in the stands with Levy as he will be taking a little time out of his busy world cup preparation to assess the players he'll be inheriting.

This gives Sherwood a dignified exit, because as I say, I don't have anything against the guy. And he doesn't even have to go back to Youth Development, he can take over at Blackburn in the summer (they might stick with Bowyer for a bit longer, but I think they'll want to freshen things up after another mediocre season) or whatever. But it takes the pressure off him and makes it clear he's just steadying the ship. Meanwhile if the presence of (BIG NAME MANAGER) in the stands next to Levy doesn't motivate the players to perform well, then nothing will (and those who fail to respond can be shown the door).

Am I hoping for too much from tonight?

 

[Rorschach]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

lots of potential upside

Fans may feel better, actually get behind team
Players may through some combination of not worrying about TS, starting to consider they are playing for their place with next manager, actually turn up and play to their potential
May be a message to the players we want to stay, that we will have someone they respect shortly.

The only odd part of this move is why not make it effective now?

I'd have to question that some of that will happen. If Sherwood was removed and LVG announced then I could see the players motivated. Having a lame duck in place will do the opposite IMO. I think the situation now is worse than being manager-less. A ship without a captain, even a bad one, is aimless and if we end up losing a lot of the remaining fixtures then there will no upswing in fan sentiment.

My point is that all of this should have been kept under wraps while there is mathematically something to play for. I want Tim gone too, but this club has had enough embarrassment this season. I think this news if intentionally leaked is just another own goal.

 

[indianspur]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Ahhhhhh another nice little story in what is one of the most farcical seasons I can remember at this club.

Not saying it is wrong for Sherwood to be relieved of managerial duties, but we sacked an actual manager because we presumably thought this guy would do a better job of getting all of our signings playing some nice Spurs type football and winning points in the process. The fact that he didn't even get to the end of the season before being able to review his progress shows that yet another Levy experiment has been a failure IMO. What was the point of him sitting up in the stands for the last few games also? Pretty much any learning he was doing has been rendered meaningless :ross:

If it's LvG, it really has to be last chance saloon for Levy. Or at the very least he remains at the club to see through the stadium project but leaves the football decisions to someone else. I don't think his philosophy on business has ever really married well with the philosophy we need on the pitch as a club.

I think Levy was prepared to stick with AVB for the whole season but it seemed AVB had given up and he himself wanted out. What was Levy to do then. Im not absolving Levy of any blame because he has made numerous poor managerial choices and having to turn to TS because there was no other option is exactly what Levy deserved.

 

[tynesidespur]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I suspect this has been announced to avoid any flak coming towards Levy/the Board in the likely event we lose/fall behind by a goal or 2 in one of our remaining home games.
Teflon coated yet again.

I have no axe to grind with Sherwood, was prepared to give him a chance and had an open mind. The reality is that he's out of his depth so I'm not surprised he's going. I would be very concerned about next season if he was still in charge.

 

[Rorschach]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

"Sky sources" have been wrong in the past. But in this case I hope they're not.

Some took an instant dislike to him, but I was more than happy to give Sherwood a chance when he took over. He certainly wasn't my first choice, but deep down I pretty much wrote off the season when AVB was sacked and I kind of assumed Sherwood was a caretaker manager in all but name (didn't everyone?). Sure, if he managed to finish top 2 or 3 and put in amazing performances and took a run at the Europa League... well, then I'd be happy to renew his contract (though I suspect some would have begrudged him even under those circumstances). But that dream was over quite a few weeks ago. So in my eyes he was always just the caretaker until Levy could reassess the situation in the summer. And to be honest, I can't get angry at a young inexperienced caretaker manager who suspects he's in over his head, is doing his best and is terrified he's going to feck up on the big stage and torpedo his career before it's even started.

The ideal situation? It should be announced tonight before the match that Sherwood will be returning to his role in Youth Development at the end of the season where he will also act as advisor to the new manager: (INSERT BIG NAME MANAGER HERE). What's more, (BIG NAME MANAGER) is sitting in the stands with Levy as he will be taking a little time out of his busy world cup preparation to assess the players he'll be inheriting.

This gives Sherwood a dignified exit, because as I say, I don't have anything against the guy. And he doesn't even have to go back to Youth Development, he can take over at Blackburn in the summer (they might stick with Bowyer for a bit longer, but I think they'll want to freshen things up after another mediocre season) or whatever. But it takes the pressure off him and makes it clear he's just steadying the ship. Meanwhile if the presence of (BIG NAME MANAGER) in the stands next to Levy doesn't motivate the players to perform well, then nothing will (and those who fail to respond can be shown the door).

Am I hoping for too much from tonight?

You've summed up my sentiments very eloquently.

 

[Yiddo]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

You think Levy looks on here and has seen one of the posters saying about Arsenal being in for LVG if Wenger walks? LOL

 

[nelto]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Some-one's managed to get quotes, no denials:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...tml?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Tottenham manager Tim Sherwood will be replaced at the end of the season.

Sherwood took over from Andre Villas-Boas in December and had signed an 18-month contract with the club, but will step down as they look for other options.

The 45-year-old said: 'I can't say much right now. What I can say is tonight is business as usual.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...e-Sherwood-replaced-summer.html#ixzz2yCq1ujWF
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'I'm setting this team up to win a football match for the benefit of the club and the 35,000 Spurs fans who will come and watch.

'I'll speak at a later stage.'

Holland coach Louis van Gaal is rumoured to be in the frame to replace the 45-year-old, while the Tottenham board are also considering a move for Southampton's Mauricio Pochettino.

Sherwood will reportedly still be offered a coaching role under the next manager but it isn't yet known whether the former Blackburn captain will accept that.

Van Gaal looks the most likely candidate for the job as the Dutchman is due to step down from international management after the 2014 World Cup.

The 62-year-old leads chairman Daniel Levy's list of names to become the club's next boss and has made no secret of his desire to work in England.

Pochettino is also in the frame after an impressive season in charge of Southampton

The news comes just hours before Tottenham's Premier League clash against Sunderland on Monday night.

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[Grays_1890]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Please not Pochettino, that would be a big no for me...

 

[indianspur]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

TS just talking about tonights match.....i think he will step down after the game, tomorrow at the latest. He knows its a waste of time him being in charge till the end of the season.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Please not Pochettino, that would be a big no for me...

I think he's a great manager in the making but would not work well with Levy. Cortese backed MP to build the type of side he wanted to build, Levy will want things done his way and needs someone to fall in line with that.

 

[Rorschach]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

TS just talking about tonight's match.....i think he will step down after the game, tomorrow at the latest. He knows its a waste of time him being in charge till the end of the season.

Sounds like it from those quotes.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I think Levy was prepared to stick with AVB for the whole season but it seemed AVB had given up and he himself wanted out. What was Levy to do then. Im not absolving Levy of any blame because he has made numerous poor managerial choices and having to turn to TS because there was no other option is exactly what Levy deserved.

I would bet AVB gave up because of Levy's demands on him and lack of trust. If there were truly no other options out there, I would have expected Levy to just lay off a bit on the manager we actually do have and give it a chance to work rather than treating him with suspicion. If AVB was treated in that kind of manner he probably would have seen out the season to the end at which point it could have been reviewed, and will have done no worse than Sherwood and in my personal opinion would have done better.

If he then wanted to move on because he couldn't work alongside Levy's strategy and it was an amicable parting, it's better for all concerned. As it is we've acted like a club that's probably given the likes of Lloris, Verts, Paulinho and Sandro serious food for thought about whether they will want to remain here any longer.

 

[Huddy]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I'm no fan of Sherwood and if this news proves to be correct then I'll be pleased his tenure will end this season, but you can't blame the guy for wanting a shot at the helm. What really annoys me is that Levy saw fit to employ Sherwood in the first place, a man with no experience of first team management, let alone for a club that is targeting a top 4 finish. There is also another person that deserves criticism and that is AVB for seemingly alienating backroom staff and ostracising players, and deciding to walk out on the club mid season when things were getting a little tough.

All in all a really horrid season and one I'd like to hurry up and finish so I can look forward to a fresh start.

 

[Jordinho]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

TS just talking about tonights match.....i think he will step down after the game, tomorrow at the latest. He knows its a waste of time him being in charge till the end of the season.

We can only hope.

 

[milo]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Ahhhhhh another nice little story in what is one of the most farcical seasons I can remember at this club.

Not saying it is wrong for Sherwood to be relieved of managerial duties, but we sacked an actual manager because we presumably thought this guy would do a better job of getting all of our signings playing some nice Spurs type football and winning points in the process. The fact that he didn't even get to the end of the season before being able to review his progress shows that yet another Levy experiment has been a failure IMO. What was the point of him sitting up in the stands for the last few games also? Pretty much any learning he was doing has been rendered meaningless :ross:

If it's LvG, it really has to be last chance saloon for Levy. Or at the very least he remains at the club to see through the stadium project but leaves the football decisions to someone else. I don't think his philosophy on business has ever really married well with the philosophy we need on the pitch as a club.

By all accounts AVB left because things weren't right behind the scenes, he'd fallen out with everyone and wanted to go. We appointed Sherwood because our preferred candidates weren't available not because we thought he could do a better job than AVB, although results, if not performances have been pretty much identical in both halves of the season.

 

[chancer]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I'm surprised anyone is surprised. The idea Levy would have given Sherwood the job for next season was always a very long-odds bet. To the point of it never really being a runner at all I don't think.

Sherwood has been treated badly here, no doubt about it. Does he deserve the humiliation of being a dead man walking for the last 6 games of the season? No. Even the worst charges against him - incompetence and intemperance - don't warrant that. He's being humiliated not because of anything he's done, but because circumstances demanded that matters came to a head now. It's political as much as anything.

Worst of all though, the extent to which he has been blamed for problems that were overwhelmingly down to Levy, AVB and Baldini has been revolting to watch.

- Above all, I blame AVB. He couldn't get it working on the pitch, and then he bottled it when it came time to fight for his job. So, so unbelievably pi$$ fukking poor.
- As for Levy, he's a great businessman who has been very good for Spurs, but we're talking about the guy who appointed Santini and Ramos, and who picked AVB above Martnez and Rodgers. Leaving himself with no option other than appointing Sherwood when the shinola hit the proverbial wasn't and isn't Sherwood's fault.
- And while the jury is still out on Baldini - I think he's an easy spacegoat, which is why that fukking useless arsewipe Jamie Redknapp is having a pop at him - he was there at the top table making big decisions long before Sherwood was appointed.

And yet, almost all the bile rains down on Sherwood. This hasn't been anyone's finest moment, but I wish the blame was more fairly spread around.

 

[Raziel]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I would bet AVB gave up because of Levy's demands on him and lack of trust. If there were truly no other options out there, I would have expected Levy to just lay off a bit on the manager we actually do have and give it a chance to work rather than treating him with suspicion. If AVB was treated in that kind of manner he probably would have seen out the season to the end at which point it could have been reviewed, and will have done no worse than Sherwood and in my personal opinion would have done better.

If he then wanted to move on because he couldn't work alongside Levy's strategy and it was an amicable parting, it's better for all concerned. As it is we've acted like a club that's probably given the likes of Lloris, Verts, Paulinho and Sandro serious food for thought about whether they will want to remain here any longer.

I initially liked AVB, but lets be clear, no manager post BMJ would have any doubts as to what Levy expects = CL football, they may be able to complain about complete cooperation re signings, but the goals are simple and immovable.

Re players, I actually think the one thing people have missed with Levy's policy is how attractive Spurs must be for a player looking to play at the biggest clubs, Carrick, Berbatov, Modric, Bale have shown what a good season or two at Spurs can do for your career, a stumble with AVB/TS is not going to change that, come play in a top 5 PL club, get some European football and if you impress, the biggest clubs in world football await ..

 

[Raziel]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I'm surprised anyone is surprised. The idea Levy would have given Sherwood the job for next season was always a very long-odds bet. To the point of it never really being a runner at all I don't think.

Sherwood has been treated badly here, no doubt about it. Does he deserve the humiliation of being a dead man walking for the last 6 games of the season? No. Even the worst charges against him - incompetence and intemperance - don't warrant that. He's being humiliated not because of anything he's done, but because circumstances demanded that matters came to a head now. It's political as much as anything.

Worst of all though, the extent to which he has been blamed for problems that were overwhelmingly down to Levy, AVB and Baldini has been revolting to watch.

- Above all, I blame AVB. He couldn't get it working on the pitch, and then he bottled it when it came time to fight for his job. So, so unbelievably pi$$ fukking poor.
- As for Levy, he's a great businessman who has been very good for Spurs, but we're talking about the guy who appointed Santini and Ramos, and who picked AVB above Martnez and Rodgers. Leaving himself with no option other than appointing Sherwood when the shinola hit the proverbial wasn't and isn't Sherwood's fault.
- And while the jury is still out on Baldini - I think he's an easy spacegoat, which is why that fukking useless arsewipe Jamie Redknapp is having a pop at him - he was there at the top table making big decisions long before Sherwood was appointed.

And yet, almost all the bile rains down on Sherwood. This hasn't been anyone's finest moment, but I wish the blame was more fairly spread around.

Re your points

- Yes, AVB is to blame, honestly he needed to fight more for it .. it wasn't an unrecoverable position.
- Not sure re Rodgers/Martinez/AVB, i.e. not sure we tried, they were all similar risk levels two years ago.
- Baldini is too early

The big issue with Sherwood come down to two things

- He was out of his league, his resume showed it, he shouldn't have gotten the job, he shouldn't have put himself forward, club shouldn't have hired him.
- His statements, his blaming the players, his sitting in the stands all the while trying to play off this arrogance just didn't work.

Managers get paid a lot of money to be accountable, fair or not, that's what TS signed up for, and like a lot of other things, it's what he seemed to fail to grasp.

 

[Millsy_Yiddo]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Some-one's managed to get quotes, no denials:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...tml?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Tottenham manager Tim Sherwood will be replaced at the end of the season.

Sherwood took over from Andre Villas-Boas in December and had signed an 18-month contract with the club, but will step down as they look for other options.

The 45-year-old said: 'I can't say much right now. What I can say is tonight is business as usual.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...e-Sherwood-replaced-summer.html#ixzz2yCq1ujWF
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'I'm setting this team up to win a football match for the benefit of the club and the 35,000 Spurs fans who will come and watch.

'I'll speak at a later stage.'

Holland coach Louis van Gaal is rumoured to be in the frame to replace the 45-year-old, while the Tottenham board are also considering a move for Southampton's Mauricio Pochettino.

Sherwood will reportedly still be offered a coaching role under the next manager but it isn't yet known whether the former Blackburn captain will accept that.

Van Gaal looks the most likely candidate for the job as the Dutchman is due to step down from international management after the 2014 World Cup.

The 62-year-old leads chairman Daniel Levy's list of names to become the club's next boss and has made no secret of his desire to work in England.

Pochettino is also in the frame after an impressive season in charge of Southampton

The news comes just hours before Tottenham's Premier League clash against Sunderland on Monday night.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...e-Sherwood-replaced-summer.html#ixzz2yCqALyX2
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Sounds like he's still going to have a job at the club in some shape or form.

My guess is that its a mutual agreement between him an Levy that he's not ready. He'll be go back to his old job or something similar and be given time to take his coaching badges.