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New Stadium and Training Ground - Pg 104 Northumberland Park master plan

You'd have to imagine that the single tier stand will be designed in such a way to accommodate the switch from standing to seating as required especially considering the topic is finally getting a bit of traction. If they haven't planned for that contingency then it shows a complete lack of foresight.

I'm not convinced a return to standing areas is inevitable. The strongest indication that there is support from this I have seen on here, as opposed to the general press. However, I do agree there ought to be some contingency planning at this stage.

One thing that might be a factor is capacity with respect to transport, safety and comfort. Lets say NP all seater is designed to be 60,000 but a standing area increases this to 65,000 (rough figures, we could be talking a difference of 1000 or 10000, the same argument applies). This is x number more people that needs to be accommodated for facilities within the stadium, walking routes out of the immediate area, then transport away from Tottenham. These things would also need to be factored in at the start. But I suppose if we knew that the stadium could be used in principle to host rock concerts then that would be a similar number, if not more.

I'm sure it's been discussed elsewhere but has anyone also considered what the cost and capacity would be to install rail seating at WHL now? NP is all well and good but if rail seating was cheap and an easy install by the start of next season, imagine if the lower tiers of the North, East and South were all transformed! 45,000 capacity overnight ?
 
I'm not convinced a return to standing areas is inevitable. The strongest indication that there is support from this I have seen on here, as opposed to the general press. However, I do agree there ought to be some contingency planning at this stage.

One thing that might be a factor is capacity with respect to transport, safety and comfort. Lets say NP all seater is designed to be 60,000 but a standing area increases this to 65,000 (rough figures, we could be talking a difference of 1000 or 10000, the same argument applies). This is x number more people that needs to be accommodated for facilities within the stadium, walking routes out of the immediate area, then transport away from Tottenham. These things would also need to be factored in at the start. But I suppose if we knew that the stadium could be used in principle to host rock concerts then that would be a similar number, if not more.

I'm sure it's been discussed elsewhere but has anyone also considered what the cost and capacity would be to install rail seating at WHL now? NP is all well and good but if rail seating was cheap and an easy install by the start of next season, imagine if the lower tiers of the North, East and South were all transformed! 45,000 capacity overnight ?


I don't see 65k at Spurs v Wigan, do you?

Might only happen at cat A games. Then, if they keep the away mob in for a decent amount of time, it would help clear the streets easier.
 
I'm not convinced a return to standing areas is inevitable. The strongest indication that there is support from this I have seen on here, as opposed to the general press. However, I do agree there ought to be some contingency planning at this stage.

One thing that might be a factor is capacity with respect to transport, safety and comfort. Lets say NP all seater is designed to be 60,000 but a standing area increases this to 65,000 (rough figures, we could be talking a difference of 1000 or 10000, the same argument applies). This is x number more people that needs to be accommodated for facilities within the stadium, walking routes out of the immediate area, then transport away from Tottenham. These things would also need to be factored in at the start. But I suppose if we knew that the stadium could be used in principle to host rock concerts then that would be a similar number, if not more.

I'm sure it's been discussed elsewhere but has anyone also considered what the cost and capacity would be to install rail seating at WHL now? NP is all well and good but if rail seating was cheap and an easy install by the start of next season, imagine if the lower tiers of the North, East and South were all transformed! 45,000 capacity overnight ?

I wouldn't be so sure. I'd say standing in some guise will happen again at some point, maybe not soon but somewhere down the road. The facilities and infrastructure need to be designed to accommodate the higher numbers. Maybe there will only be a few thousand in the difference or maybe none at all if the rail seating system is used. Either way it would be prudent to plan for it.
 
Haringey planners hint a renewed Victoria Line spur to a new Northumberland Park tube station might be Tottenham’s ticket to regeneration.

That is key to the area's transformation. Get the Tottenham/Northumberland Park area directly connected to the Underground. That would be absolutely massive. Should have been done years ago.
 
The argument against it is that the Victoria line is already at full capacity so there is no room to add more people coming from a new branch, unless they reduce the number of trains coming from Walthamstowe.
 
The argument against it is that the Victoria line is already at full capacity so there is no room to add more people coming from a new branch, unless they reduce the number of trains coming from Walthamstowe.

I imagine that that is what would have to happen. New trains to Northumberland Park. Less trains to Walthamstow.

Shouldn't be an issue since, in my experience, very few people stay on Victoria Line trains heading to Walthamstow beyond Seven Sisters and equally few arrive at Seven Sisters from Walthamstow. Very occasionally, trains from Tottenham Hale are quite busy but it ought to be possible to schedule more Victoria Line trains from Tottenham Hale to coincide with mainline trains that arrive there from Stansted.

Alternatively, it shouldn't be all that difficult or expensive to build a new Victoria Line branch to Northumberland Park from Tottenham Hale. After all, the mainline track runs the same route.
 
I imagine that that is what would have to happen. New trains to Northumberland Park. Less trains to Walthamstow.

Shouldn't be an issue since, in my experience, very few people stay on Victoria Line trains heading to Walthamstow beyond Seven Sisters and equally few arrive at Seven Sisters from Walthamstow. Very occasionally, trains from Tottenham Hale are quite busy but it ought to be possible to schedule more Victoria Line trains from Tottenham Hale to coincide with mainline trains that arrive there from Stansted.

Alternatively, it shouldn't be all that difficult or expensive to build a new Victoria Line branch to Northumberland Park from Tottenham Hale. After all, the mainline track runs the same route.

Think it's all about space at the terminus. I saw some ridiculous figure of GBP80m bandied around a few years ago to build a platform and station there.

The actual depot itself seems to have plenty of space:-

http://goo.gl/maps/mGi5N

It's the space north of there that's the issue (I think)
 
I imagine that that is what would have to happen. New trains to Northumberland Park. Less trains to Walthamstow.

Shouldn't be an issue since, in my experience, very few people stay on Victoria Line trains heading to Walthamstow beyond Seven Sisters and equally few arrive at Seven Sisters from Walthamstow. Very occasionally, trains from Tottenham Hale are quite busy but it ought to be possible to schedule more Victoria Line trains from Tottenham Hale to coincide with mainline trains that arrive there from Stansted.

Alternatively, it shouldn't be all that difficult or expensive to build a new Victoria Line branch to Northumberland Park from Tottenham Hale. After all, the mainline track runs the same route.

Fewer! :-"
 
Just saw this from last year:-

http://mqt.london.gov.uk/mqt/public/question.do?id=36114

Mayor answers to London

Victoria Line Extension to Northumberland Park
Question number 1413/2011
Meeting date 18/05/2011

Question by Joanne McCartney

Will you please ask TfL to conduct a feasibility study to for extending the Victoria Line to Northumberland Park? This extension would bring enormous regeneration benefits to the wider N17 area and would be widely welcomed by local residents.

Answer by Boris Johnson (1st Term)

London Underground has already evaluated the business case to extend the Victoria line to Northumberland Park. The outcome (weighing up the benefits, demand and costs) indicated that the investment would not represent value for money and could not be justified when compared alongside other projects which would deliver greater benefits to London.
I am aware you have had recent correspondence with Peter Hendy on this subject.
 
^^^

Interesting.

I would imagine that the more that north Tottenham is regenerated, the more compelling the case for extending the Victoria Line to Northumberland Park becomes.

It's not something that's going to happen in the next 5 years. But in 10-20 years, who knows?
 
This is an interesting blog post too:-

http://ballystudios.blogspot.com/2012/10/werecently-celebrated-7-years-of.html

................... our new home was based in Foyle Rd, a few mins walk away from Northumberland Park Train Station. Over the next few years of living in this area, it became obvious that many other people living in the area has similar reasons for being based there as we had. Young families, priced out of surrounding areas, relocated for the extra space that their budget could accommodate in Tottenham. Parking spaces were plentiful , a refreshing change. Tottenham marshes was based on our doorstep, and we grew so attached to the area, that when it came time to start a business for ourselves, we didn't hesitate to choose Tottenham as its location.

So when we saw a recent Twitter post by Bruce Castle News, highlighting a question that Joanne McCartney had put to London Mayor Boris Johnson about looking into the possiblity that he “ask TfL to conduct a feasibility study to for extending the Victoria Line to Northumberland Park” it was a subject that both appealed to our emotions, as well as one that, we felt, made sense, economically.

All tube trains currently go to Northumberland Park anyway, as this is where they are cleaned. There is a train-wash, like a car wash for tube trains, that can be clearly seen by people driving along Watermead Way. The tracks are already laid, but at present there is no platform and station facilities. Joanne McCartney shared the same hopes as many local residents, that Northumberland Park Train Station could be transformed into a tube station. Within minutes of us echoing her sentiments, Justin Hinchcliffe ‏of @TottenhamTories chirped in, that it had been “first proposed by us on 2001”. A quick internet search shows that local Labour MP, David Lammy felt that "the important thing is to deliver an extension on the Victoria Line sometime soon - people desperately need it in what is a deprived part of London."

So both the Tories and the Labour party, at a local level, seem to be in favour of it. Justin Hinchcliffe ‏of @TottenhamTories tweeted “we should make a united, cross-party push for it”, a sentiment we agreed with. Ken Livingstone, in 2003, was vocal for his support too, and Boris Johnson has backed a regeneration plan that promises ‘up to 10,000 new high quality homes and over 5,000 new jobs’ for Tottenham by 2025, as well as publicly backing Tottenham Hotspurs plans to build a new 56,000 all seater stadium next to their current stadium.

We've spoken to many people in the area that are equally vocal with their support. We, personally, feel that the plan for a Northumberland Park tube station would be of great benefit to the community. Support seems be be forthcoming from all areas for the plan., both socially and politically. But as of yet, the official line from TFL is “London Underground has already evaluated the business case to extend the Victoria line to Northumberland Park. The outcome (weighing up the benefits, demand and costs) indicated that the investment would not represent value for money and could not be justified when compared alongside other projects which would deliver greater benefits to London”.

At present, Northumberland Park station is a train station, National Rail, on the Stansted Express route. Despite it only having 1 or 2 trains per hour, depending on the time of day, passenger numbers have grown from 73,310 in 2004–05, to 125,000 in 2006/07, to 162,000 in 2008/2009, and, in 2009/2010, the last year we have figures for, 176,000 used the station, an all-time high. Popularity of the station has grown 150% in just 6 years, despite there being no significant change in the service. That's not to say it is 150% of what it was, it has GROWN that amount. It is 250% what it was. So that seems to contradict the official line that development “could not be justified”.

Northuberland Park is also a 5 mins stroll away from Tottenham Hotspurs Football ground, much nearer than the current 20 minute walk that it is from Seven Sisters station. Tottenham Hotspurs are planning on opening a new 56,00 stadium in less than 2 years. Each year, on average, there are 26 home games. (19 in the league, on average 7 in the Europa League, League Cup, FA Cup, depending of their performance in these competitions and if they are drawn at home or not. Catch them on a good year, and you'll see up to 32 games) Using Arsenal FC’s transport statistics (which I think is fair, considering the 2 teams are based only 1 stop apart at present, from Finsbury Park to Seven Sisters), “70% of football fans reply on other transportation means, other than private cars”. So that is up to 39,000 fans who could use the train station every game. We're business owners, so we are routinely cautious when it comes to projecting numbers, so lets say that there are only 25,000 people who would use public transport instead (which would represent only 45% of fans, as opposed to 70%), that would still equate to 650,000 fans per year who could potentially use the station from Tottenham games alone.

Add to that the 176,000 that were already using it, as a train station that has an hourly/half hourly service, and you already have 800,000 annual passengers. South Kenton only has 960,000 annual passengers. North Ealing 940,000, Grange Hill, Chigwell, Chesham and Theydon Bois have between 460,000 and 740,000 a year. So even discounting the fact that many people don't currently use it now because of the irregular service, and discounting the fact that usage for the station has been growing dramatically as it is, you still have a number nearing a million. Surely that is demand enough?

In fact, there are already massive amounts of work in place to regenerate the Tottenham Hale gyratory. Tfl themselves have said, “The current one-way system has high volumes of traffic.” http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/13315.aspx But currently, the only way that fans can get from the Tottenham ground to the tube station, and that local residents of Northumberland park can get to the tube also, is by putting this current system under even more pressure. You only have to spend a few days getting off of the tube at Seven Sisters and see the amount of people using the 341 and 476 bus routes, which take you to Northumberland Park, to see how many people need to travel to the area that already use the tube. More transport options, and a new tube station, would mean less buses on the road.

This is not even taking into account that the tracks are already in place!! The trains are already going there every day as it is. All you would need is a platform or two,and a station concourse. No tunnels, no tracks need to be laid. Of course, work would need to be done to re-route certain parts of the tracks, but compared to other more flagship projects that have recently taken place, such as the east London line, Crossrail and the Jubillee Line extension, the work would be nominal.

If budget is a concern, then there is the option to run it as a shuttle service from Seven Sisters, in the same way that the Northern Line, Mill Hill East branch is currently run. Tube passengers could interchange at Seven Sisters, from the platform, that currently serves Walthamstow Central, and change to the “Nothumberland Park Platform”, which is based approximately 100 feet away, on the same level. The same train could just keep going back and forth along the same line, and even taking into account the driver walking from one of of the train to the other when changing direction, it could still be more than possible to run a “4 train an hour service” in Non-peak times, and a direct service in peak times.

There is already increasing demand at Tottenham hale tube station, and it was named in a recent report into train/tube stations that are most susceptible to reaching capacity soon. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jul/05/london-rushhour-train-crowding-worst-20-years) Many people currently use the station as an interchange between the Victoria line and Stansted Express. Northumberland Park is already on the Stansted Express. Open it as a tube station, and you have another interchange that can be used by some of the 4 million annual commuters who use the National Rail/Stansted Express station at Tottenham Hale. Assuming that 2 million passengers are using Tottenham Hale in each direction, (half go one way, half go the other way) if 5% of the passengers who interchange at Tottenham Hale station for northbound travel were to change at Northumberland Park instead, that's another 100,000 passengers a year who could benefit directly from a Northumberland Park tube station. Even if it was only used at peak hours, it would take the burden off of Tottenham Hale alone, and would be preferable for many people as it would be a step free interchange, with the tube and train station at Northumberland park being at the same level. By providing secure cycle parking facilities, people from areas not served by the tube could be within cycling distance of it.

TFL assessment of the viability of the station is also missing a very obvious point. That the main reason there is no demand at present is because there is no tube station there! Therefore, there is less of culture of local residents using the tube. Before the o2 arena was built in North Grenwich, there was not much of a demand for concerts there, only because there was no venue! By building the infrastructure, the supply will create a demand for the product., as “Say's law” dictates, which was advocated by Economist John Maynard Keynes amongst others. And this is only counting people who would directly use the station for the local area and as a train interchange, and not counting the possibility of it being used as a bus interchange for surrounding areas. Within a couple of miles of the prospective site are areas that are currently not served by the Tube, such as Chingford, Edmonton, Enfield, Ponders End, Brimsdown and many others. It could be utilised as a vital interconnection between bus routes and tube stations, in the same way that Edgware, Stanmore and Walthamstow stations currently are.

The arguments for Northumberland park Tube station are strong. Even from a safety point of view, currently the whole of the Victoria line is underground, with it being the only tube line that has no open air sections. Heaven forbid, if there was an incidents even approaching the magnitude of the 7/7 attacks, it would act as a vital way for emergency services to access the Victoria Line, or for people to be evacuated quickly from. Property within the area is much cheaper, and there is also sufficient land in the area, in the form of industrial estates that have been for sale, and unsold, for years, that could be used for new housing, and a tube station would provide a transport hub for any such developments. TFL and the Mayor of London are vocally backing the Nine Elm development, which is being proposed in the same way, in that a new area of london could be created by a new tube station. Northumberland park could have a similar effect, at a fraction of the cost.

Even if it is just run as a shuttle service during off peak hours, to save money, and run as a direct service into central London or the peak hours of 7:30am – 9:30am and 4:30pm – 6:30pm, we hope that the scheme is given the opportunity it deserves. As a direct result of moving into the area, we founded a local business, which has resulted in 5 residents of Tottenham being employed. A small effect? Maybe. But imagine that multiplied by many more times. Better transport links would mean more people moving into the area, and the knock on effect can only be positive for local business’s. It could mean better bus and train interconnections, and an area of London synonymous with poverty can be given hope. It would also give the message that the government feels that Tottenham is an area worthy of investment. How do the government think that people feel when they hear Tfl say the area is not worthy of investment and that “other projects (would) would deliver greater benefits to London”. If the London Riots of last year showed us anything, it is that we should not be concentrating our efforts on the areas of London that would solely generate more income, rather that we should be investing in areas such as this. MP's are in cross party support. Residents would benefit, as would local business’s would.


On 7th August, 2011, The UK was shocked by the riots in Tottenham, and the image of Allied carpets, burning well into the night, was a catalyst that created more rioting over the next week. I remember watching it myself. I had, a couple of months earlier, moved onto the property ladder, and I was having a house party that night to celebrate purchasing my first home. Party guests who understood my affiliation with Tottenham brought the matter to my attention, and about 20-30 of us, with glasses of wine and beer in hand, watched the footage of the riots on TV, with great sadness, until about 3am. When everyone had left, I stayed up until 8am watching the footage. I went into work the next day, at 11am, witnessing, first hand, the widespread looting that was happening the next morning at the Tottenham Hale retail park. The image of Allied carpets ablaze, that night, was the enduring image, for me, of the London riots. When we were soundproofing the studios on it's first day, in 2005, I bought a job lot of carpet that was frayed at the edges, for 50% off, from that very store. It as symbolic for me, that on the night I was celebrating stepping onto the property ladder, the very building that put me on the way, was burning to the ground.

The empty shell of this building lies 850 from Northumberland Park Train station. What a fine legacy it would be if Northumberland park were to have it's own Tube station. How are people meant to feel proud about their own community when transport for London openly state that it is not worthy of investment, while other, more financially affluent areas, are given mass funding? The government is not meant to be investing in areas that are already financially strong money. That is what the private sector is for. By investing now, it will help to revitalize an area, and hopefully prevent some of the scenes we saw last year. This area helped me to create financial stability for myself. I am sure it can do the same for others.

We sincerely hope that TFL reconsider their stance, and we hope that the mayor for London, and the Government, both at a local and national level, put their support behind this worthy scheme. It has our full support.
 
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The plot thickens!!

http://www.london.gov.uk/media/pres...-welcomes-report-urging-bold-action-tottenham

Mayor welcomes report urging 'bold action' for Tottenham
12 DECEMBER 2012
The Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, has welcomed the findings of a new report that calls for the formation of a regeneration body dedicated to improving the prospects of people living and working in Tottenham.

Published by the Independent Panel on Tottenham, which was convened by the Mayor after the riots in 2011, the report outlines a number of key challenges that should be tackled in partnership by the London Borough of Haringey, the Greater London Authority (GLA) and central Government.

Chaired by leading property developer, Sir Stuart Lipton, the panel recommends the creation of a dedicated organisation to spearhead Tottenham’s regeneration, with representation from the borough, the GLA, the Government, as well as those with relevant expertise from the public and private sectors.

The Mayor, who will be considering the report closely as part of his own strategy for the area, made Tottenham a key priority for regeneration before the disturbances. Since then he has allocated £28m worth of funding to support development and regeneration in the area, including better transport links, public realm improvements and help to boost employment opportunities.

As well as support to help unlock the development of the North Tottenham and Northumberland Park areas, the Mayor’s funding has also been used to help transform the site of the borough’s former planning offices, which were burnt out during the riots, into a new community hub at 639 High Road as part of the Mayor’s Team London volunteering initiative.

The Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, said: “What happened in Tottenham last year was a wake up call to us all and I am determined that those scenes should never be repeated. There can be no doubt that Tottenham needs greater support in grappling with the challenge of delivering jobs and improved infrastructure and this report details the challenges we face to achieve this. The idea of a new organisation to help drive forward lasting change in Tottenham is particularly compelling and one that I will be looking at closely. I’d like to thank Sir Stuart and all of the team who’ve worked hard on this report, which puts renewed focus on a part of London that has been overlooked for far too long.”

Sir Stuart Lipton, Chair of the Independent Panel on Tottenham, said: “A new vision for Tottenham will create real change for the community producing growth and social change. The GLA have already shown their financial support and commitment for new projects. Opportunities in Tottenham will allow Government to implement existing policies for change which, with appropriate substantial financial support, will make a real difference to the area.”

As well as the establishment of a new regeneration body, the panel’s report identifies a number ofkey challenges which the Mayor agrees need to be addressed, including improved housing and transport links, increased employment opportunities, better community relations with the police, better youth engagement and the need to improve Tottenham’s public image.

The Mayor’s Chief of Staff, Sir Edward Lister and the Leader of Haringey Council, Councillor Claire Kober, will meet early in the New Year to discuss the report’s findings and the future plans for Tottenham’s regeneration in more detail.

Notes to editors

The report, ‘It Took Another Riot’, can be viewed and downloaded online at http://www.london.gov.uk/priorities/business-economy/investing-future/mayors-regeneration-fund

Sir Stuart Lipton was appointed by the Mayor of London in December 2011 to act as a champion for Tottenham following last year's riots. He has chaired an independent panel of experts to produce this report, meeting with large numbers of local community members, activists, volunteers and representatives, some of whose comments are included throughout this document.

Several members of this group, including Sir Stuart, have also sat separately on the Tottenham Taskforce alongside representatives of the London Borough of Haringey, as well as David Lammy MP, meeting fortnightly to discuss and aid the council's regeneration activities.

The members of the panel include:
• Brian Boylan, Wolff Olins
• Rana Brightman, Wolff Olins
• Andrew Campling, British Telecom
• Paul Finch OBE, Design Council Cabe
• Matthew Girt, Diocese of London
• Roger Graef, Criminologist
• Kay Horne, Business in the Community
• Don Levett, Report Author
• Sir Stuart Lipton, Chairman of the Independent Panel on Tottenham
• Tony Travers, London School of Economics

Since the riots/civil disturbances, £28m of GLA funding has been allocated to Haringey to support development and delivery of regeneration priorities in Tottenham by London Borough of Haringey. This funding is linked to £12.8m of funding provided by LB Haringey creating a total of £40.8m to invest in the social, economic and environmental transformation of the area.

The projects focus on the following interventions:

£0.6m to develop a regeneration and investment strategy that sets out opportunities and delivery options for the Tottenham area in the short and medium terms.
£27 million in the North Tottenham/Northumberland Park area to support transport infrastructure and public realm improvements to help unlock proposals for the major stadium-led regeneration scheme.
£2.9 million into a package of works to improve the High Road, bringing disused buildings back into use, paving the way for growth in terms of housing, employment and community.
£3.7 million to support an Opportunity Investment Fund that will be managed to purchase key sites and bring forward development and commercial opportunity on the High Road and at Tottenham Hale.
£3.6 million for an Employment and Skills programme to provide support for hard to reach young people and problem families in terms of employability, access to jobs and skills training.
£3 million to transform 639 High Road into an enterprise centre for use by the community.

Work on the regeneration and investment strategy has been ongoing since July 2012 while the repair and re-fit of 639 High Road commenced in August, and both are due for completion in early 2013.

Works to improve the High Road and Northumberland Park through the North Tottenham/Northumberland Park project commenced in late-September, and a co-ordinated series of events including public art exhibitions, markets, film screenings, a carnival and a winter festival were held in venues along the High Road, in Bruce Castle Park and on Tottenham Green between June and early-December.

Regarding next year, design work is underway to enhance Tottenham Green, improving facilities and links with local civic buildings, and will be delivered by late-summer 2013. The 639 High Road community enterprise hub will be open for business from March 2013, and work is also underway to provide more design options to improve the High Road in 2013.

The delivery of this work is being integrated where necessary alongside other works in the area, such as the improvements by TfL to convert the Tottenham Hale Gyratory into two-way working.

The vast majority is for "transport infrastructure and public realm improvements" on Northumberland Park.

Tube extension?
 


Unfortunately I think a lot of this is earmarked for Tottenham Hale (originally they were trying to enforce this into section 106 requirements for Spurs, even though in my experience Tottenham Hale is hardly used at all as an interchange for people attending Spurs matches).

The blog post above is fantastic though. I have always been amazed that the projected cost of a new tube station at Northumberland Park would be £80 million. The requirements would simply be a couple of platforms, a (small) station building, the signalling to enable a passenger line to run and possibly a bridge over the road to ferry the passengers to/from the station. The benefits from opening up this small stretch of line to commuters would greatly outweigh the costs I am sure.
 
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75,000 managed ok without a victoria line extension in 1938 so i'm sure we'll make do

Granted, a hell of a lot more would have come from the local area in those days!

Transport links in the area could definitely do with massive improvements and i'll be delighted as and when it actually happens but I don't get why so many people make such a fuss about getting to WHL. Its not the easiest place to get to but its hardly that much effort to use the numerous overland stations around the area. People are just lazy these days!
 
75,000 managed ok without a victoria line extension in 1938 so i'm sure we'll make do

Granted, a hell of a lot more would have come from the local area in those days!

Transport links in the area could definitely do with massive improvements and i'll be delighted as and when it actually happens but I don't get why so many people make such a fuss about getting to WHL. Its not the easiest place to get to but its hardly that much effort to use the numerous overland stations around the area. People are just lazy these days!

For most people outside of London an evening kick off means sprinting to Seven Sisters to get home. It also means leaving around 3pm to get in.

WHL isn't the most difficult ground I've ever been to but it's pretty close. If they made the High Road one way on match days I suspect it would go some way to solving the problem.

If we expect corporate entertainment types to convince their guests to walk/run the length of the High Road, we'll have some very empty boxes in the new stadium.
 
Getting a tube extension to WHL would be very welcome - not just because it would ease congestion on match days but also because it would increase property prices in the area and, therefore, increase the value of the various enabling developments that Spurs propose to build.

But it isn't a deal breaker.

White Hart Lane isn't the easiest place to get to on match days. But, in truth, there aren't many football stadiums that are. Take Old Trafford, for instance. 76,000 people for every match. Less public transport capacity even than WHL. Doesn't seem to have hindered their ability to attract corporate customers.

Thing is, because they're being fed and plied with alcohol, corporates tend to arrive at the stadium considerably earlier than most other fans. For the same reason, they also tend to leave later than most other fans. So they don't have to contend with the crush. Besides, corporate ticket holders and their guests aren't a different breed of human. They are perfectly ordinary people - most of whom are perfectly happy to endure the same travelling conditions as every other fan.
 
...corporate ticket holders and their guests aren't a different breed of human. They are perfectly ordinary people - most of whom are perfectly happy to endure the same travelling conditions as every other fan.

!!!

I don't do public transport.

It's bad enough I have to see the public from my Merc and slow down to let them cross the road.

Apparently on match days pedestrians have the right of way, even on a main road.
 
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