New New Manager Poll (The Lets Get It Right This Time Edition)

[Finney Is Back]

I guess I don’t have the same sense of desperation that most of the fan base seem to. We’re still competing for 4th, we’re spending good money in the transfer market, we have a decent squad. I think sacking Conte and bringing back Poch makes us look more desperate and clueless than we actually are or need to be. It smacks more to me of rose tinted specs than rational decision-making.

I think we need a fresh start, not a return to a manager who saw us through a 2.5 year slide last time he was here (which, to be clear, I do not blame him for! I just think he comes with more of a psychological burden than a boon).

Fcuk me…. The slide gets longer and longer each time doesn’t it?… 2.5 years now! I must’ve imagined those 4CL qualifications in a row achieved with the 17th biggest transfer budget in the PL!

 

[Grays_1890]

I’d be very interested to know how many of the people who are voting for Poch now were calling for him to be sacked last time he was here… as I recall the majority of this forum wanted him gone. (Whereas funnily enough I very much didn’t want him sacked, but don’t want him back now!)

Never wanted him sacked but was a level of inevitability about it, especially in media and from the vloggers and bloggers who were calling for it. I think I remember saying it was likely relationship broken (could well be wrong).

Probably all still on here TBH haha

 

[glasgowspur]

Don’t disagree with most of this. I just think whoever takes the job has got a lot of work to do. And I’m a bit concerned he will remain loyal to players like Lloris and Dier who need to be removed from the starting lineup. I’d have him back just to cheer us all up whilst knowing there’s a chance it could go tits up.

I'm the opposite, i think there's players he wanted rid of but levy wouldn't sanction, Eriksen and dele for instance.
Players that for various reasons needed moved on.
That was the be brave, rebuild will be painful bit, it wasn't going to be popular but it needed done.

 

[Finney Is Back]

I’d be very interested to know how many of the people who are voting for Poch now were calling for him to be sacked last time he was here… as I recall the majority of this forum wanted him gone. (Whereas funnily enough I very much didn’t want him sacked, but don’t want him back now!)

I’m not sure it was anywhere near a majority…. I think it was actually a small but noisy contingent of people on here who didn’t have much of a clue what was really needed.

 

[glasgowspur]

I’m not sure it was anywhere near a majority…. I think it was actually a small but noisy contingent of people on here who didn’t have much of a clue what was really needed.

Empty vessels make the most noise.

 

[elltrev]

Fcuk me…. The slide gets longer and longer each time doesn’t it?… 2.5 years now! I must’ve imagined those 4CL qualifications in a row achieved with the 17th biggest transfer budget in the PL!

16/17: 86 pts, 2nd in league
17/18: 77 pts, 3rd in league
18/19: 71 points, 4th in league
19/20: On track for 44 pts after 12 matches, 14th in league

Obviously we had Champions League success in that time, but it is a fact that over 2.5 seasons (okay 2.3) we went backwards in the league.

To be clear, I don't blame Poch for that - I blame the lack of transfers. (And I think finishing in the top 4 each year was still a great achievement). I just worry that the negative momentum which we last experienced together would be quick to hang over us again as soon as we went through a sticky patch.

 

[Grays_1890]

I'm the opposite, i think there's players he wanted rid of but levy wouldn't sanction, Eriksen and dele for instance.
Players that for various reasons needed moved on.
That was the be brave, rebuild will be painful bit, it wasn't going to be popular but it needed done.

He was very vocal behind the scenes on Verts and Tobys legs not being up to the level needed in his system, big difference of opinions at the club about that.

He wanted fresh in many an area

 

[Grays_1890]

Fcuk me…. The slide gets longer and longer each time doesn’t it?… 2.5 years now! I must’ve imagined those 4CL qualifications in a row achieved with the 17th biggest transfer budget in the PL!

Hahah laughable aint it, the half season cup specialists "well from the last 5 games of the season before and the first 5 of the season after" blah blah blah....Lets ignore all the distractions around the side that time, the devastation of CL loss, the ground move, the lack of transfers....and that we were 5 points off 5th when he left having played City, Liverpool and Arsenal already

 

[Baleforce]

I’d be very interested to know how many of the people who are voting for Poch now were calling for him to be sacked last time he was here… as I recall the majority of this forum wanted him gone. (Whereas funnily enough I very much didn’t want him sacked, but don’t want him back now!)

I did, I thought he was done, thought he'd fallen out with the squad, thought he didn't want to be here anymore, thought the players were better than they were and that we would be better under Jose (which we were for a bit to be fair)

of course the players then pulled the same brick on Jose, Nuno and now Conte

 

[alekaras]

Imagine if Poch turns us down

We're Spurs, so not out of the realm of possibility.

 

[Gutter Boy]

I’d be very interested to know how many of the people who are voting for Poch now were calling for him to be sacked last time he was here… as I recall the majority of this forum wanted him gone. (Whereas funnily enough I very much didn’t want him sacked, but don’t want him back now!)

Personally I thought it seemed obvious that we just needed to ride out a bumpy few months while he initiated the transition to cycle 2. Just like Liverpool did with Klopp in 20-21. We just needed to show a bit of loyalty and faith, to someone who amply demonstrated they deserved it.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Imagine if Poch turns us down

The guy who commissioned an enormous Spurs-branded BBQ, after he'd left? And who continued to wear his club clothes in every interview he did throughout Covid?

 

[elltrev]

Personally I thought it seemed obvious that we just needed to ride out a bumpy few months while he initiated the transition to cycle 2. Just like Liverpool did with Klopp in 20-21. We just needed to show a bit of loyalty and faith, to someone who amply demonstrated they deserved it.

I agree. Though I would say that Poch did seem to be cracking under the pressure and frustration - who knows if he would have been able to get past that. But I thought that if he wanted to stay, he absolutely deserved the opportunity.

 

[elltrev]

Hahah laughable aint it, the half season cup specialists "well from the last 5 games of the season before and the first 5 of the season after" blah blah blah....Lets ignore all the distractions around the side that time, the devastation of CL loss, the ground move, the lack of transfers....and that we were 5 points off 5th when he left having played City, Liverpool and Arsenal already

Did you actually read any of my posts, including the one above the post you just made? I don't blame Poch for the slide (which did happen across whole seasons not half seasons). And I was vehemently against him being sacked.

 

[Finney Is Back]

16/17: 86 pts, 2nd in league
17/18: 77 pts, 3rd in league
18/19: 71 points, 4th in league
19/20: On track for 44 pts after 12 matches, 14th in league

Obviously we had Champions League success in that time, but it is a fact that over 2.5 seasons (okay 2.3) we went backwards in the league.

To be clear, I don't blame Poch for that - I blame the lack of transfers. (And I think finishing in the top 4 each year was still a great achievement). I just worry that the negative momentum which we last experienced together would be quick to hang over us again as soon as we went through a sticky patch.

16/17 we were at WHL. We subsequently had to play two years at Wembley. We were also competing with clubs who were spending big money trying to strengthen, while we were busy operating the 17th biggest transfer budget in the PL.

It would now be a dream to again ‘slide’ to 4 CL qualifications in a row wouldn’t it?

 

[Finney Is Back]

I did, I thought he was done, thought he'd fallen out with the squad, thought he didn't want to be here anymore, thought the players were better than they were and that we would be better under Jose (which we were for a bit to be fair)

of course the players then pulled the same brick on Jose, Nuno and now Conte

You mean Poch was right that we needed a painful rebuild?….. Funny that the person in charge of the first team for the last 5 years and had massively overachieved versus resources provided would have the best idea on what was needed eh?

 

[elltrev]

16/17 we were at WHL. We subsequently had to play two years at Wembley. We were also competing with clubs who were spending big money trying to strengthen, while we were busy operating the 17th biggest transfer budget in the PL.

It would now be a dream to again ‘slide’ to 4 CL qualifications in a row wouldn’t it?

As I said - 'to be clear, I don't blame Poch for that ... I just worry that the negative momentum which we last experienced together would be quick to hang over us again as soon as we went through a sticky patch.'

I just think people are being slightly selective and rose-tinted with their memories of the Poch years, forgetting that there was loads of negativity towards the end of his time here.

But personally I love the guy, and if he comes back and we have a similar level of success to before, I would be delighted.

 

[alekaras]

Board backing the manager often comes up, well want to see the players back the manager.
Seems to me when its not going well or they don't like the style they become half hearted.
Poch, jose and conte have all stuck by various non performing players, a faith that seldom appears to be repaided.
Jose and conte have won the very medals our players supposedly crave, yet they moan about the methods.
Do they really think that jose, one of the most successful managers in football was going to change his methods because they didn't like it?
Medals aren't handed out, they need to be earned, and you earn them by doing what your manager tells you.
You do what managers like conte or jose tell you and you will win.
It might not pretty and it may well not be easy but it will be worth it, and you will have earned it.

I totally agree with the above, but we have been playing brick since the start of the season. I doubt the players downed tools that soon, especially given how we ended the previous season. And with Jose we were top of the league after 12 games. Did the players down tools after the first 12 games when we were in first place? Maybe they did in both circumstances, but I don't find it that plausible. May have had to do more with the manager and the tactics than the players.

 

[Lemonade Money]

I’m not sure it was anywhere near a majority…. I think it was actually a small but noisy contingent of people on here who didn’t have much of a clue what was really needed.

A bit like this thread then?

 

[elltrev]

A bit like this thread then?

Lol is that aimed at me? Just offering a different opinion on the Poch situation. If he re-joins and the fanbase stays behind him and we have a similar amount of success as before, I will be beyond delighted. I just think there's a risk that we can't recapture that same initial magic together, and that the fans will get restless - and it would make me sad for that to tarnish his legacy.