Lemonade Money
Steffen Freund
He's volunteered to do the testing.
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Coronavirus
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Mikey10
John Lacy
I’d say all the front pages are pretty shameful today given that not one of them features as their main headline the announced deaths of 1700+ British citizens yesterday, most of which are due to government inaction and mismanagement.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
I've seen this Eric guys tweets on here. He has done alot of scare mongering and isn't always aligned to the real experts. Just a bit of a hype dingdonghead IMO
ricky2tricky4city
Tom Huddlestone
But usually the pace of any legal challenge/court case is hardly going to fit in with the urgency of vaccine delivery.
ricky2tricky4city
Tom Huddlestone
If we have secured decent supply and quantity of the AZ vaccine, can we not 'trade on' some of our other supplies to our EU friends (Pfizer etc).
With the ease of administering the AZ vac I can see the others falling out of favour quickly. But if the EU are scratching around, maybe they'd like to talk about a deal
, for the Pfizer stuff.
With the ease of administering the AZ vac I can see the others falling out of favour quickly. But if the EU are scratching around, maybe they'd like to talk about a deal
, for the Pfizer stuff.
Glenda's Legs
Les Ferdinand
No, of course, going to court is not a practical solution.
I was just surprised that the AZ CEO would be throwing around phrases like that as if it helped his argument.
Glenda's Legs
Les Ferdinand
If we have secured decent supply and quantity of the AZ vaccine, can we not 'trade on' some of our other supplies to our EU friends (Pfizer etc).
With the ease of administering the AZ vac I can see the others falling out of favour quickly. But if the EU are scratching around, maybe they'd like to talk about a deal
I bet we'd still manage to end up on the worst end of the deal!
Seriously though if we do have surplus I'd like to see us take the Norway approach of giving it away to poorer countries.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
The government have been absolutely appalling and anyone who says otherwise and you will notice I have criticised them. But how about we give other people criticism when they deserve it, otherwise you end up becoming bipartisan and prejudiced. We need to criticise wherever the is wrong doing.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Yes absolutely. Reports coming out of Yemen were heartbreaking, that's just one example.
Dicko
Edgar Davids
I know we ordered a boat load of the AZ one but I still think we are rumoured to expect our own supply issues. I don't think we have enough as it stands to keep going at the current rate for everyone. Some AZ spokesperson mentioned in a month or two they could expect production to ramp up but couldn't give any guarantees on continuous supply. Still though, We have done quite well to get this far, fingers crossed it continues.
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
I'm pretty split on that tbh - the information is covered by media sources and talk shows, but we are all feeling weary and anxiety is huge, I don't think it needs ramming down people's throats by being the first thing you see if go on BBC website or walk into Sainsbury's.
Yes reporting and accountability is really important, but so is balancing it with creating too much extra pressure.
I would actually extend that to our Govt too - they are being held accountable by parliament and a decent amount of to the media, but it can also become counterproductive and this is way bigger than politics, especially in winter lockdown.
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
It was inevitable that supply issue would occur and will increase throughout 2021 as the world needs supply.
It actually think it's the reason behind the one dose strategy - get everyone some protection for now and get things moving as much as possible to stop the economy tanking.
Then do another two shot roll out late 2020/early 2021 and/or hope a one dose solution presents itself in the meantime (which it looks like it will with, ironically, Johnson & Johnson).
We have 2-3 years before being able to appropriately vaccinate much of the world. And in the timeline concessions will have to be made to stop famine and/or war. Both of which are highly likely in some form.
Ok, for anyone that read all of that......now spend a minute thinking of something nice, like cute kittens or DFL covered in strawberry custard and pistachios.
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
And make the criticism constructive
Diamond Lights
Didier Zokora
yeh that's awful, hold my hands up i've shared a post from this guy i think, and he does have a lot of good material, but calling testing in mice as 'effect in people' is a massive brickshow!
Reading between the lines of his interview, it sounded as if he suggested it's logistics that's the issue in the UK
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Absolutely.
Think kier starmer has walked the line perfectly so far and looks like a prime minister in waiting. Some of the papers, bbc and even posters on here have used the crisis to give the Government a kicking for other issues. Which could very well backfire, it is almost a psychological thing but people want to see poor leadership held to account but dont like seeing people picked on.
The mistakes the government made for me are:
Boris not going to meetings this time last year about the virus coming out of China.
Not following what the South Koreans were doing.
Not banning fans from going to Cheltenham and large social gatherings.
Not making face coverings in enclosed spaces mandatory.
I dont completely blame them for being slow in locking down as scientists were saying different things.
I blame them for allowing travel to Spain etc in the summer, no matter how much pressure the Spanish government were applying to allow tourism to help their economy. They should have thought about the health of British people first.
I blame them for not enforcing quarantines for people flying into the country.
At my wife's allotment yesterday one of the women on the neighbouring plots was moaning about the vaccine roll out and then went on to say she had being listening to an Irish podcast and she felt ashamed of how the British were now viewed because of covid and brexit and then said she always knew the tories were evil.
Coming from someone who belongs to no party I cant tell you how repulsive her sort of views are to me.
I was 99% going to vote Labour at the next election once Brexit was done and the was a less then 1% chance of me voting conservative.
With the way people are behaving the is a 90% chance of me voting Labour next time while trying to not think about the large unsavoury amount that are voting the same way as me, much like when I voted UKIP. The is still a less then 1% chance of me voting conservative.
The danger for Labour is people being so turned off they dont go out and vote and I think I am a pretty good barometer of how people think in this country.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
So much for 3m a week, be lucky to do 1.5m
Not a chance in hell will they meet the mid-Feb target !!!
Not a chance in hell will they meet the mid-Feb target !!!
Mikey10
John Lacy
If there are now potential supply issues, will there be enough to give the second dose at the right time? If not, are we left with millions of people who are not able to be vaccinated within the 12 week window (less than 500,000 people so far have had two doses) and therefore not quite sure whether they have decent levels of immunity or not?
It still seems a real gamble.