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Coronavirus

I’ve been locked down at home for 11 weeks now. So have my parents. We’ve taken no liberties.

It’s bellends like Cummins that are still transmitting the virus 10000 times a day that explain why we are still unable to open up.

The next wave will have to be accompanied by martial law.
 
I think the one thing both sides of the coin agree on is that Boris has gone into hiding yet now he’s decided this issue above all others warrants a rare appearance.

This is why he will lose support when even his most loyal supporters are questioning his priorities and rightly so.
 
johnola said:
I’ve been locked down at home for 11 weeks now. So have my parents. We’ve taken no liberties.

It’s bellends like Cummins that are still transmitting the virus 10000 times a day that explain why we are still unable to open up.

The next wave will have to be accompanied by martial law.
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Do you think as a nation people will obey another lockdown?

The mantra is “ if Cummings can do it so can I”.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
This is why public confidence in our institutions are in free fall. There was a time when there were standards for those in public life. Clearly that is not the case now, see Johnson and Trump. So, this is why politicians are meant to be held to higher standards than footballers, and rightly so. Of course they would be if they were Labour!
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We (labour) treated someone so bad about for reporting anti semitism that she left her role under a cloud of abuse from leftist supporters online. The. Kier rightly claims she was spot on and a new dawn will emerge.

So I would be careful about the Corbyn comparisons
 
galeforce said:
appears to be another lie

I can only speak for my own situation, but one sure fire thing I could do to upset my autistic daughter is break the law whilst removing her from her safe place and sticking her in a car for four hours
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“another lie”

Again assuming he lied about something else (not proven)

And is it a lie that his youngest is Autistic?
 
scaramanga said:
Throughout the history of politics, politicians have been having affairs, speeding, doing all kinds of "wrong" things that have no bearing on us and should be of no interest to the public.

Unfortunately the twitterisation of politics has spread political discussion beyond those with the requisite cognitive agility. This means it's been reduced to finger pointing, angry shouting and faux outrage.

At worst he broke a minor, pointless rule that rarely (if ever) ends up in a small fine. It's nothing, get on with your lives, I'm sure you all have more important things to think about.

As for the continued “what it is was Labour” that keeps going about, there have been 3/4 of their MPs who have been caught breaking the rules and no one on here slaughtered them in such a tone and I’m not should they.
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This is spot on.

Yes people are dying and the virus is bad, but when people keep saying “my Nan died of CV that makes Cummings guilty” it doesn’t l, it an absolute travesty but he isn’t responsible for every death because of his trip, that’s just OTT.

As are as you say the twitter phalanx posting pictures of nurses to add fuel to the flames like it means more, again it doesn’t.

Fact is like you said he has received the same punishment as those that flouted the rules, I don’t count his trip as the same as the beach dwellers, so people should be applauding the law is equal and consistent.

People shouting that he lied, that’s their own cynicism as I keep saying and I prefer to stick to the facts.

Anyway like you say it’s done we move on and the world keeps turning.
 
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Aldo said:
Well it’s certainly a lie that he has 2 kids, where’s that come from?
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I don’t know how many he has, it was just quoted on the radio that his youngest son (May have been son) is autistic and his mother is an ex teacher who specialises in behaviour.

Love how people love to jump up and down on here based on a question based on radio 4
Hahah
 
Grays_1890 said:
I don’t know how many he has, it was just quoted on the radio that his youngest son (May have been son) is autistic and his mother is an ex teacher who specialises in behaviour.

Love how people love to jump up and down on here based on a question based on radio 4
Hahah
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Jumping up and down lol.
You said he has more than one child, I asked you where you got that from. No need to over-react every time someone challenges you - especially when you clearly got your info wrong.
 
Aldo said:
Jumping up and down lol.
You said he has more than one child, I asked you where you got that from. No need to over-react every time someone challenges you - especially when you clearly got your info wrong.
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Where did I say he had two children? Because I used the term youngest?

If so I was asking a question not making a statement so a “he has one kid” would suffice. Rather than the term lie.

But there you go
 
spitshine said:
Do you think as a nation people will obey another lockdown?

The mantra is “ if Cummings can do it so can I”.
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They’ve not been obeying this one - hence why I say the next wave will have to be under martial law. The authorities will have to be super strict - imposing curfews and licensing people to be out and about.

I’d just love to know how people are still catching it/transmitting it at such a rate.
 
johnola said:
They’ve not been obeying this one - hence why I say the next wave will have to be under martial law. The authorities will have to be super strict - imposing curfews and licensing people to be out and about.

I’d just love to know how people are still catching it/transmitting it at such a rate.
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People are out in huge numbers all over the place. See it day in day out
 
The issue here is your are arguing the point that Cummings actions have lead to people ignoring the lockdown with people who want to lockdown ignored as they don't believe the disease will harm them. They don't give a fudge. As they have decided that old people dying is fine and herd immunity is possible without a vaccine even though we don't know how long immunity lasts for certain. It's pointless.

Any reasonable person would at least take an agnostic approach to this if not a careful one. Promoting disobeying the rules when all you have is theory and small cuts of data is reckless.

I genuinely hope people who think the risk is low are right as it means normality returns sooner and the economy doesn't get damaged more. But to push that without solid data is nuts.
 
LutonSpurs said:
The issue here is your are arguing the point that Cummings actions have lead to people ignoring the lockdown with people who want to lockdown ignored as they don't believe the disease will harm them. They don't give a fudge. As they have decided that old people dying is fine and herd immunity is possible without a vaccine even though we don't know how long immunity lasts for certain. It's pointless.

Any reasonable person would at least take an agnostic approach to this if not a careful one. Promoting disobeying the rules when all you have is theory and small cuts of data is reckless.

I genuinely hope people who think the risk is low are right as it means normality returns sooner and the economy doesn't get damaged more. But to push that without solid data is nuts.
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We have that data as the death toll highlights exactly who this disease kills.

And we don’t have that data in the hundreds we have it in the hundreds of thousands when you flip it and work out the majority of people who survive and their demographic. Just as much as you highlight the demographic of who die.
 
scaramanga said:
Throughout the history of politics, politicians have been having affairs, speeding, doing all kinds of "wrong" things that have no bearing on us and should be of no interest to the public.

Unfortunately the twitterisation of politics has spread political discussion beyond those with the requisite cognitive agility. This means it's been reduced to finger pointing, angry shouting and faux outrage.

At worst he broke a minor, pointless rule that rarely (if ever) ends up in a small fine. It's nothing, get on with your lives, I'm sure you all have more important things to think about.
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Yes, yes, yes, there have been and the point is they had to face the consequence, do the honorable thing and resign. Not so much for Tory MP'S and spin doctors though today though.
 
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