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Bedfordspurs said:
Those papers are the problem
They don’t allow the government to make brave but useful decisions for fear or ridicule or worse
So it’s the same people doing the same things quite averagely for a premium
If we had less people trying to dig up mud and let things happen it would be better overall
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Everything i read at the time was that Johnson viewed himself as a Libertarian and did not want to enforce a lockdown. When you consider how the Swedish behaved compared to us.

I view the problem being Johnson being to liberal and a huge swath of the British public being self entitled scum.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Anyone else feeling a bit sorry for Hanrooster? It seems like he is running the whole Covid operation. Testing, PPE, ventilators and hospital capacity. Wouldn't it have made sense to put a Minister in charge of each area? Give testing to one dedicated Minister. Likewise procurement of PPE and other essential supplies. To be fair to Hanrooster or maybe just the NHS, the one thing we seem to have done very well at is expanding hospital capacity and critical care.
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It’s becoming pretty obvious that he and the scientists are going to be the ones hung out to dry at any inquiry so that The Invisible Man...sorry, Boris, is made to seem guiltless.

I thought Hanrooster looked ill at yesterday’s briefing and any decent employer would be looking after him now - so he’s fudged.

He’s quite clearly out of his depth though, as today’s latest testing fiasco further highlights.

Danishfurniturelover said:
And experience of previous epidemics.
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Indeed. Which makes it even more baffling why, despite us having six weeks or so to see how South Korea was handling the virus, we chose to follow the Spanish and Italian models; i.e. stick your head in the sand and hope it goes away, rather than follow the actions of a country which looked like it knew what it was doing.
 
Mikey10 said:
It’s becoming pretty obvious that he and the scientists are going to be the ones hung out to dry at any inquiry so that The Invisible Man...sorry, Boris, is made to seem guiltless.

I thought Hanrooster looked ill at yesterday’s briefing and any decent employer would be looking after him now - so he’s fudged.

He’s quite clearly out of his depth though, as today’s latest testing fiasco further highlights.



Indeed. Which makes it even more baffling why, despite us having six weeks or so to see how South Korea was handling the virus, we chose to follow the Spanish and Italian models; i.e. stick your head in the sand and hope it goes away, rather than follow the actions of a country which looked like it knew what it was doing.
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I think we are about 5/6 weeks away from a potential fall out either way - more so on the other side of the Atlantic.

As states and Cities open up and if the death rate doesn’t go up backed up my new reports saying the first infections in the UK/States were much earlier the scientists are going to be thrown into the pit.

If it does go up the politicians are.
 
Mikey10 said:
It’s becoming pretty obvious that he and the scientists are going to be the ones hung out to dry at any inquiry so that The Invisible Man...sorry, Boris, is made to seem guiltless.

I thought Hanrooster looked ill at yesterday’s briefing and any decent employer would be looking after him now - so he’s fudged.

He’s quite clearly out of his depth though, as today’s latest testing fiasco further highlights.



Indeed. Which makes it even more baffling why, despite us having six weeks or so to see how South Korea was handling the virus, we chose to follow the Spanish and Italian models; i.e. stick your head in the sand and hope it goes away, rather than follow the actions of a country which looked like it knew what it was doing.[/QUOTE]

Actually agree fully with this. I have been easyish on the government but they have made some big mistakes and been slow to react.

I came back from Shanghai start of February got asked at Heathrow purpose of visot but nothing more. In Australia they put people in hotel rooms for 2 weeks.

Think it is a combination of our politicians being a bit cack and the general public being so belligerent.
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If it wasn't thousands of people's lives, and everyone's wealth on the line, you could give the government a pass. Not an easy task responding to this. But the stakes are so incredibly high, we should expect an effective response from them - once the virus and locked down kicked in. You wanted to see the government go into war mode, look determined, mobilise the nation where needed to get test centers, make PPE and supporting key workers etc. Take some quick decisive action.

I think what we found out is this government is not agile or decisive. Maybe because during the critical period they were sick themselves.
 
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SpurMeUp said:
If it wasn't thousands of people's lives, and everyone's wealth on the line, you could give the government a pass. Not an easy task responding to this. But the stakes are so incredibly high, we should expect an effective response from them - once it really kicked in. You wanted to see the government go into war mode, look determined, mobilise the nation where needed to get test centers, make PPE and supporting key workers etc. Take some quick decisive action.

I think what we found out is this government is not agile or decisive. Maybe because during the critical period they were sick themselves.
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Certainly the last bit is relevant but also the processes are too cumbersome
To make a decision that involves spending money you have to grow a pair and just go with it... we can’t as everything (I mean literally everything) that’s the public money is scrutinised

I work in buildings where we have to bring our own soap as it’s not provided by the employer (the government) as they couldn’t control usage.. soap!!!!
Paper towels are rationed so we don’t use too many and for the wrong things
Yet the flip side is every mid to junior level civil servant measures their working time constantly to get their TOIL or flexi time as it’s part of the work life balance thing
Every dept has a scrutiny dept which means generally over qualified big under paid people who have never worked outside of that world telling you if your right or wrong... so everyone is fearful of doing anything different

compare it to the private sector where you will get soap, coffee and hand towels but your expected yo earn your money as your being paid to make decisions... you learn more and you make big calls. They don’t always work but I guarantee you they make the business more agile and efficient which is what gov lacks in abundance
 
Totally agree @Bedfordspurs

Cummings is probably a bit of tit, but one thing he is right about is the civil service needs a shake up. Too often, winning as a civil servant is keeping your head down, and not embarrassing anyone. When success should be saving the taxpayer money and improving whatever service or provision for people. There are exceptions, but on the whole, there is a malaise in public bodies and a horrid wastes of tax payers money. When a crisis like hits it exposes the weaknesses and lack of balls quick frankly. As organisations they lack leadership and dynamism. They are specialist at keeping out of the limelight, not taking risks, and maintaining their jobs.

However, it is the role of Ministers to lead. To push the buttons on departments. And normally that works well. A Minister has a pet project, and the whole ministry is at their disposal to realise it. In this crisis, not only did we have Minsitries ready to focus on the covid response, we probably had a willing nation of businesses (labs and PPE makers), volunteers, the army etc. what we lacked was leadership.
 
Hanrooster claiming places like McDonald’s didn’t need to close.

Is that the Government covering its back on businesses taking potential action?
 
milo said:
Have you seen this @Hootnow? Interested in your views.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1253018368841601024
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Been thinking about this and you'd hazard a guess that the low oxygen levels, (even before it turns more desperate and difficulties with breathing) does show when you go to do something and quickly realise your just not capable. Even when you think you feel a bit better, you can eg sweep the floor or hang the washing out then feel like lying in bed for the rest of the day.
 
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