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Lilbaz said:
This isn't about chat gpt or midjourney.

We're in the 4th industrial revolution. We'll have to adapt.

Past industrial revolutions have been more based on physical tasks. We are now entering an age where machines can do creative tasks more efficiently than us.

For a user it will be amazing. But it's going to cost jobs, no doubt. I don't see where those jobs will be replaced apsrt from caring.
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Can they?

I see AI quite differently. As a tool to allow people to save time and enhance creativity. If you actually use Chatgpt you realise it still needs human intervention to make it work best. In other words it compliments the human. But without the human the task isn't completed - not optimally anyway. So lawyers, programmers, copy writers can use AI now to faciliate more effective working. But their expertise is still needed.

You keep say jobs are going, but only referance check out tills, which don't use AI and have been automated with scanners for over a decade.

Let me ask you, in the 1960s when they feared AI taking over, where they correct? Are you now?
 
SpurMeUp said:
Can they?

I see AI quite differently. As a tool to allow people to save time and enhance creativity. If you actually use Chatgpt you realise it still needs human intervention to make it work best. In other words it compliments the human. But without the human the task isn't completed - not optimally anyway. So lawyers, programmers, copy writers can use AI now to faciliate more effective working. But their expertise is still needed.

You keep say jobs are going, but only referance check out tills, which don't use AI and have been automated with scanners for over a decade.

Let me ask you, in the 1960s when they feared AI taking over, where they correct? Are you now?
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I was chatting to a waitress in our local wine bar/restaurant over Christmas. Holiday job whilst home from Uni. She is taking a law degree and wants to specialise in law related to AI. Very wise move and it is going to become a huge issue in terms of intellectual property and copyright. The company I work for are bringing in lawyers specifically for this purpose. Whatever the progress there will always be room for lawyers. Unless AI replaces them of course.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Can they?

I see AI quite differently. As a tool to allow people to save time and enhance creativity. If you actually use Chatgpt you realise it still needs human intervention to make it work best. In other words it compliments the human. But without the human the task isn't completed - not optimally anyway. So lawyers, programmers, copy writers can use AI now to faciliate more effective working. But their expertise is still needed.

You keep say jobs are going, but only referance check out tills, which don't use AI and have been automated with scanners for over a decade.

Let me ask you, in the 1960s when they feared AI taking over, where they correct? Are you now?
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Yes you still need human input. But if one person can do the work 5 times as fast. Or the work of 5 people. Guess what? 4 people are out of jobs.

What do you mean i only reference check outs? I've mentioned this https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/may/18/bt-cut-jobs-telecoms-group-workforce

You could look at this
www.forbes.com

Goldman Sachs Predicts 300 Million Jobs Will Be Lost Or Degraded By Artificial Intelligence

Goldman Sachs maintains that if generative AI lives up to its hype, the workforce in the United States and Europe will be upended. The bank estimates 300 million jobs could be lost or diminished due to this fast-growing technology.
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The writers and actors strikes in america were largely around ai.
 
One other downside to AI that will cause absolute havoc is the further erosion of trust. In this age of misinformation adding the ability to mimic audio and visuals perfectly will mean nothing can be taken for granted as being true, and of course, it will lead to the ultimate identity theft.

We need to regulate the fudge out of this industry fast.
 
Rorschach said:
One other downside to AI that will cause absolute havoc is the further erosion of trust. In this age of misinformation adding the ability to mimic audio and visuals perfectly will mean nothing can be taken for granted as being true, and of course, it will lead to the ultimate identity theft.

We need to regulate the fudge out of this industry fast.
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Already seeing it with only fans. Ai generated girls earning fortunes.

As for misinformation. That's social media. Been like that for years.
 
Lilbaz said:
Think i might have posted the astartes vids ages ago. Fan film that took years and was an absolute work of art. Now you have a fan that can make this in a matter of weeks with generative ai.

m.youtube.com

Sister of Battle - Warhammer 40k (Unofficial)

Embark on a fan-made odyssey into a realm inspired by the grimdark of Warhammer 40K and the Sisters of Battle. This short film is the result of human imagina...
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Yes it is just images pieced together. No story or motion. But this is what we are getting now. Months after these tools are being used. The first games on a new console are shaky. Then a year or 2 in they kick off. (Apart from nintendo).

Yes i am drunk.
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Quite impressive that.

Is Warhammer a pseudo-religious game or what is the deal there?
 
Lilbaz said:
Already seeing it with only fans. Ai generated girls earning fortunes.

As for misinformation. That's social media. Been like that for years.
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You'll have to explain only fans to me. I've seen it referenced, and can probably guess what it is, but don't want to google it.
 
Lilbaz said:
Hers another one. Not the bloke.

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It's Happening

Until we get the bald one up and running: https://www.instagram.com/emilypellegrini/Asmongold Clips / Asmongold Reacts To: Emily Pellegrini, The Next Gen Gir...
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There is a little of the uncanny valley with that one, though that is probably because you pointed out it is not real and I knew that beforehand.
 
Lilbaz said:
Yes you still need human input. But if one person can do the work 5 times as fast. Or the work of 5 people. Guess what? 4 people are out of jobs.

What do you mean i only reference check outs? I've mentioned this https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/may/18/bt-cut-jobs-telecoms-group-workforce

You could look at this
www.forbes.com

Goldman Sachs Predicts 300 Million Jobs Will Be Lost Or Degraded By Artificial Intelligence

Goldman Sachs maintains that if generative AI lives up to its hype, the workforce in the United States and Europe will be upended. The bank estimates 300 million jobs could be lost or diminished due to this fast-growing technology.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com

The writers and actors strikes in america were largely around ai.
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If you read the Guardian article job cuts are as much about them finishing building the fibre optic infrastructure and not needing masses of engineers anymore. If human kind can find a way to extricate the poor sods who imitate computers in call centres, the world will be a better place. I don't think there are many call centre workers who delight in their job. And often you think a computer could do better! But we are some way off of that, and there will always be a need for some human input. As @Glenda's Legs hints, AI is currently creating new work for lawyers. It is leading to more work. Maybe a legal AI module will become so good that you can generate contracts simply using an algorythm, but someone will still need to check it, and when there is a disagreement, an AI language module will be of scant help settling a dispute.

I don't think the AI we are seeing being developed at the moment leads to 'one person working 5 times faster'. It doesn't really work like that. What will happen is that for certain tasks, things are sped up. So in an 8 hour day, one task may be to write a communication strategy, or draft a heads of terms. It might have taken 1-2 hours of the day before, but with AI take a third of the time. But AI won't make a whole days work occur in a fifth of the time, it will just speed up the composition of that one thing which you need it for - possibly only once or twice a week. For a few select roles maybe AI will have more dramatic time savings. But it will also create its own spin off work, and this revolution that some seem to think is around the corner won't be as seismic as many hype it up to be.

A few years back crypto was the fad. Money poured in to it. Many many people professed it was a revolution. AI has replaced crypto as this years thing. Everyone wants to invest in anything AI, more or less off the back of Chatgbt. And whilst it is specatular the impacts on our lives has probably been overstated.
 
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Rorschach said:
Quite impressive that.

Is Warhammer a pseudo-religious game or what is the deal there?
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In Warhammer 40k there's a fair few factions that have strong religious undertones as within the universe there are demons as well as Gods ("good" and "bad") that give powers to their followers. I suppose within the lore there are going to be some parallels with real organized religions drawn from as inspiration.

There's a lot of references to zealotry and heresy, I play the tabletop game but the fiction behind it doesn't really interest me too much and I don't read the books. I'd rather read sci Fi / fantasy that is less based around pure violence that is potentially a bit more inspirational as the whole idea behind the setting is in a grimdark "there is only war" state, it'd never resolve itself because then there'd be no reason for these battles to be playing out so the narrative side of the game would struggle.

Edit - With the upcoming prime / Henry Cavill series it'll be interesting to see whether a new crowd comes in to the gaming side of it. Games Workshop has a big of a stranglehold where they can set prices at pretty much whatever they want despite having had real stock issues of late.
 
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Rorschach said:
One other downside to AI that will cause absolute havoc is the further erosion of trust. In this age of misinformation adding the ability to mimic audio and visuals perfectly will mean nothing can be taken for granted as being true, and of course, it will lead to the ultimate identity theft.

We need to regulate the fudge out of this industry fast.
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I agree.

I think it's an unhappy coincidence (for humans) that AI comes so close after the invention of smartphones.
 
Lilbaz said:
Ofcourse wages are accelerating at unprecedented rates.
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You get that that's a circular issue, right?

Inflation can't drop whilst wages continue to increase - at least not while we still need to pay people to make/gather/move/sell things.
 
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