Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

[superfaisty]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Nigeyman had it right- the guy is marmite. He's either the next 'special one' or a complete charlatan, but one thing he is, as Steff says is a winner, and he can't stand that the players don't have the same gut wrenching desire to win. But let's be fair if all you needed was a team full of fighters they are just as unlikely to win anything like this lot are.

If it were that easy to find these types of players everyone would be after them. Like it or not there is a scarcity if top quality players limited further if we don't have CL football.

Rather than mouthing off about being the big I am I would rather my manager set about finding a system to play and stick to that, get everyone used to playing that way, that way it doesn't make such a difference whose available or not. All this cryin about the players is just distracting from the underlying issue- we've chopped and changed so much we cannot get a consistent team out and Tim had chopped and changed tactics.

If Tim cannot do that, then by all means bring someone else in who can. Fcuk the players playing for their careers Tim Sherwood you are playing for your career and the right to manage a giant club like spurs, you ain't got long to prove yourself worthy so quit bitching and get working those soft bastards!

 

[Gutter Boy]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Are you still wanting us to lose games or are you under the realisation now that this is the week of all weeks that we need to stick together & hope for the best???

I'd like us to get 6th so we're in the UEFA cup next season (now 7th wont be good enough). van Gaal needs to be able to keep a UEFA sized squad together to prepare us for CL in 15/16.

No he didnt. stop making **** up.
AVB had no interest in Freund and relegated him to a mascot role.

They seem to fall out in the end, but check back - Freund definitely used to do a lot of cup press conferences.

If the players think Levy isn't backing Sherwood then Sherwood's words mean **** all to them.
The LVG talk/rumours have backfired on Levy undermining Sherwood.

Regardless of Sherwood's abilty Sherwood can do nothing with these players now unless Levy intervenes to support him.

Dead... man... walking

 

[indianspur]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

this will be Tim's ideal team at the start of next season if he remains in charge

....................Butland
Walker....Dawson...Jaglielka.....Rose
....................Parker
............Milner........Bentaleb
......Lennon...............Townsend
..................Adebeyor

subs....Friedel, Naughton, Fryers, Livermore, Pritchard, Ince, Lambert

 

[Armchair Expert]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

The one thing about Sherwood which has not ever been fully broached, is that he is a winner. He wants to win. Badly. He is ruthlessly ambitious and somewhat relentless in going for what he wants. He is a terrible loser, and as such, everything we're seeing now is a result of those instincts (however feral he might've been in the initial expression).

I have no idea what he would do long-term, and neither do any of us because he's been operating with one hand tied behind his back. With free reign? Who knows?

One thing I found laughable was Pleat c unting him on the Monday Night Club; Pleat, who after being a nearly man at this club off the back of another manager's squad, came back a few times to be a cloying custodian with the balls of a eunoch. At least Sherwood stands for something, and if he does not retain the job for whatever reasons, he's done a good 'outing' for the next one...

I quite agree and have mentioned on many occasions that the man is a winner. What a difference it could make to our club to have a ruthless winner who can't handle losing in charge for a change.

I want to see it. I'm hoping Tim gets the gig, we ship out Baldini - which looks like with Broomfield coming back.

Taking the DoF role out would show solidarity with the manager and give us a sense of real stability and maybe (just whisper it) someone who can bring in the right players, players he wants, and instil a win at all costs mentality. It could just work.

 

[milo]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

this will be Tim's ideal team at the start of next season if he remains in charge

....................Butland
Walker....Dawson...Jaglielka.....Rose
....................Parker
............Milner........Bentaleb
......Lennon...............Townsend
..................Adebeyor

subs....Friedel, Naughton, Fryers, Livermore, Pritchard, Ince, Lambert

Are you being serious?

 

[Hashegotthesackyet?]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Are you being serious?

he's missed out Suarez, Messi and Bale.

 

[Nigeyman]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Nigeyman had it right

What an incredibly insightful, intelligent poster you are...

\o/ =D>

 

[milo]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I quite agree and have mentioned on many occasions that the man is a winner. What a difference it could make to our club to have a ruthless winner who can't handle losing in charge for a change.

I want to see it. I'm hoping Tim gets the gig, we ship out Baldini - which looks like with Broomfield coming back.

Taking the DoF role out would show solidarity with the manager and give us a sense of real stability and maybe (just whisper it) someone who can bring in the right players, players he wants, and instil a win at all costs mentality. It could just work.

I don't agree and we've got no idea whether Sherwood is for or against having a DoF. The only comment I remember him making on the subject is when he said he didn't know any other system shortly after taking over.

I've got no idea whether he will be here next season or not. It appears to be 50/50 to me. One thing I do think is that running the team, having a longer term view of the clubs recruitment and doing deals is too much for one man and particularly one who is new in the job.

 

[spurs' magna carter]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

thfcsteff and Armchair Expert,

I like what you're saying and I agree. Something I've touched upon before is that if we can develop our players, why not develop our own managers/head coaches?

I keep reading that day in, day out, Sherwood is there on the touchline watching the youngsters after he's done training. He literally knows the club from top to bottom, a knowledge of which is always been talked about when discussing successful managers such Fergie, Shankly, Clough, Bill Nich, Wenger etc etc.

We go on and on about the bottom up development seen at Ajax back in early to mid 90s, Man Utd's 'school of 92' and most recently Barcelona via a golden generation blossoming into the first team squad wishing for the same to happen to us yet here we are with a man wanting to achieve the same and yet no one wants it, why?

If people want a squad overhaul which would see Levy and Baldini, if he's still at the club, do the same as last year then there is only one word I personally feel can describe the idea.

Madness.

You either go top down by keeping most of the current mob replacing two or three by fighting fights with the likes of Emirates Marketing Project et al hoping to come away with another Verts or Lloris, or you can go bottom up giving Carrol, Pritchard and Falque a chance on more regular basis whilst giving more time to purchased players such as Eriksen and Lamela.

My point being is that if you're to rip out everything as some have suggested then you have to start fresh with a crop of youngsters because the only thing I can see happening is us going round full circle back to where we are now due to our weird deluded idea that you can build 'something' but yet not have any hick ups on the way which ends with us rebuilding a building whilst its falling down.

Keep with or give the youngsters a go.

 

[Nigeyman]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I don't agree and we've got no idea whether Sherwood is for or against having a DoF. The only comment I remember him making on the subject is when he said he didn't know any other system shortly after taking over.

I've got no idea whether he will be here next season or not. It appears to be 50/50 to me. One thing I do think is that running the team, having a longer term view of the clubs recruitment and doing deals is too much for one man and particularly one who is new in the job.

Milo...couple of questions.

1. When Redknapp came out with the 'my wife would have scored that' referring to Bents sitter vs pompey a few years ago...how did that go down on this board? bit before my time...was Redknapp called out for it by some on here or were most having a laugh about it?

2. Is it ok if I offer up my OMT virginity for the NLD as an offering to the gods?? or has someone else got the gig?

 

[Spurmac1974]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I'd like us to get 6th so we're in the UEFA cup next season (now 7th wont be good enough). van Gaal needs to be able to keep a UEFA sized squad together to prepare us for CL in 15/16.



They seem to fall out in the end, but check back - Freund definitely used to do a lot of cup press conferences.



Dead... man... walking

Seriously where do you get it from, save yourself the time and effort Van Gaal wont be here next year thankfully!
The bloke would be a disaster from start to finish, i remember him being taught a lesson by Mick McCarthy.....dont suppose you want Mick??

 

[milo]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Milo...couple of questions.

1. When Redknapp came out with the 'my wife would have scored that' referring to Bents sitter vs pompey a few years ago...how did that go down on this board? bit before my time...was Redknapp called out for it by some on here or were most having a laugh about it?

2. Is it ok if I offer up my OMT virginity for the NLD as an offering to the gods?? or has someone else got the gig?

1. It went down like a sack of ****. Most people thought that singling out a player for criticism was wrong, no matter how **** he was.

2. It ain't my choice. OMTs are first come, first served after the previous one has been unstickied but I think it would be a brave and admirable move to pop your OMT cherry on the NLD.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I've seen many poeple label Sherwood as a 'winner'.

What makes him a winner? SWas it captaining Blackburn to the PL trophy in 1995?
Ok fair enough.

What else did he do with Blackburn? Where did they finish the following season when they were defending theor title? Was Sherwood's input significant in that?
What about the following year when they flirted with relegation for many months? Was Sherwood's input significant in that?
They finished top 6 the following year in Woy's first season there.
He joined us in 1990 scoring vs Leeds on his debut. I actually thought he played well for us in most seasons but I appreciated his limitations. He was always up for the fight vs the Goons (esp Vieira - who no doubt said ouch in many games).

No he didn't win the Carling Cup either; he was ineligible for that game. The less said about our final vs Blackburn in 2002 the better.

So what makes Sherwood a 'winner'?
For that matter was Alan Nielsen, who scored our last minute winner vs Leicester in 1999, a winner?

Was Ledley King a 'winner'?

Was RSol a 'winner'??8-[

I'd like whoever has been labelling Sherwood as a 'winner' to please back up why they give him that label. I'm happy to debate it.

 

[We are Tottenham]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Lol..ha ha..

 

[Huddy]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Lol..ha ha..

 

[DTA]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I've seen many poeple label Sherwood as a 'winner'.

What makes him a winner? SWas it captaining Blackburn to the PL trophy in 1995?
Ok fair enough.

What else did he do with Blackburn? Where did they finish the following season when they were defending theor title? Was Sherwood's input significant in that?
What about the following year when they flirted with relegation for many months? Was Sherwood's input significant in that?
They finished top 6 the following year in Woy's first season there.
He joined us in 1990 scoring vs Leeds on his debut. I actually thought he played well for us in most seasons but I appreciated his limitations. He was always up for the fight vs the Goons (esp Vieira - who no doubt said ouch in many games).

No he didn't win the Carling Cup either; he was ineligible for that game. The less said about our final vs Blackburn in 2002 the better.

So what makes Sherwood a 'winner'?
For that matter was Alan Nielsen, who scored our last minute winner vs Leicester in 1999, a winner?

Was Ledley King a 'winner'?

Was RSol a 'winner'??8-[

I'd like whoever has been labelling Sherwood as a 'winner' to please back up why they give him that label. I'm happy to debate it.

He certainly hates losing, you know who hates losing as in offer out martin Jol type hates losing... As in throw your ****ing toys out the pram, hates losing.... Wenger. You know who else hates losing? As don't give a **** about any worldly in the squad who doesn't tow the line.... **** them off... Not speak to the bbc for years hates losing.... SAF.

 

[scaramanga]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I've seen many poeple label Sherwood as a 'winner'.

What makes him a winner? SWas it captaining Blackburn to the PL trophy in 1995?
Ok fair enough.

I suspect most members of this forum could have stood behind Shearer & Sutton for a financially doped Blackburn and won a PL medal.

 

[NWND]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Sherwood when results are going well in January: "I don't need to buy I'm happy with the squad"
Sherwood after a couple of ropey results in February & March: "Everythings wrong with the club, I can't trust the players, they're playing for their future, its not my fault guv"

Is he a winner, or is he just trying to blame everyone but himself?

 

[Modric THFC]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

First I've heard of this player meeting

http://www.theguardian.com/football...ood-warns-tottenham-players-sales-daniel-levy

"Sandro, meanwhile, believes that all Tottenham's players are ready to roll up their sleeves after the heated meeting in the aftermath of the defeat by Chelsea. "We spent more than two hours in a meeting among the players and we said what we had to say. Everyone was [shouting]. Sometimes when you lose games in that way everyone gets cross and we all scream and shout," said Sandro.

"It was after the manager's conference with the press. We had a meeting with the players. Sometimes one player got a bit more stressed out and we tried to calm him down. Every player had their fair share to say, let's put it that way.

"From now on if someone is not doing their work properly, then I think now we – especially the older players – can say something. In the past we probably didn't say anything because we didn't want anyone to take it the wrong way. From now on we will pull our sleeves up and tell whoever is not doing their job."

 

[Nigeyman]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I've seen many poeple label Sherwood as a 'winner'.

What makes him a winner? SWas it captaining Blackburn to the PL trophy in 1995?
Ok fair enough.

What else did he do with Blackburn? Where did they finish the following season when they were defending theor title? Was Sherwood's input significant in that?
What about the following year when they flirted with relegation for many months? Was Sherwood's input significant in that?
They finished top 6 the following year in Woy's first season there.
He joined us in 1990 scoring vs Leeds on his debut. I actually thought he played well for us in most seasons but I appreciated his limitations. He was always up for the fight vs the Goons (esp Vieira - who no doubt said ouch in many games).

No he didn't win the Carling Cup either; he was ineligible for that game. The less said about our final vs Blackburn in 2002 the better.

So what makes Sherwood a 'winner'?
For that matter was Alan Nielsen, who scored our last minute winner vs Leicester in 1999, a winner?

Was Ledley King a 'winner'?

Was RSol a 'winner'??8-[

I'd like whoever has been labelling Sherwood as a 'winner' to please back up why they give him that label. I'm happy to debate it.

You had to post this really late didnt you my little tinker...

ok what makes some of us say he is a winner...opinion I guess akin to yours that Sherwood is a waste of space.

we could argue about semantics but I guess its the way some of us view his personality...lots of ex teammates have given quotes as to his character but there isnt alot of point in dragging all those out. As a player in the dressing room he would call others out if they were not peforming or letting the side down, he was a motivator on the pitch...recognised as such he was made a captain...and captained a team to the epl title as you mentioned.

Now I dont think he had Keane's ability but perhaps shared his personality trait...you can imagine he could be hard to get on with but would speak his mind.

Now you dont rate tim...I have no issue with that...I reckon he could come good for us but who knows what will happen? Ledley was an amazing player...look what he did for Dawson when he was beside him...yes Id call him a winner...minus the injuries im sure he would have moved on to another club and fought for major honours...he was that good, which leads us to....

RSOL... yes he was a winner-for the other lot...like it or not yes he was...but lets not discuss his achievements for the other lot shall we.

I can see why the term 'tim is a winner' annoys you' he has done nothing for us at this point as a coach...I will wind my neck in from now on and say he has a hates losing mentality...if thats ok for you.

As for a long debate no need...we both understand players have different personalities...I dont need to explain to you that timmy is not the shy type.

Your great sir...I fully get you dont rate ol timmy. regardless of that he is the captain of the ship at the moment. what Im trying to say is I hope we get two wins this week and we can both send each other lovely messages on sunday evening....and that doesnt mean we have to agree Tim is the messiah...if we have a bad week I fully appreciate you will see Tim as a very naughty boy...and if poor results continue to come it wont matter what we think of timmy as Levy will find our new saviour this summer.