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Sonny Walters
I think I read RM owe us 20mil or so for Modders so wiping that debt would mean us paying 20mil for Coentrao, which is way too much IMO. Make the ****ers pay the lot I say.
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Coentrao
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I think I read RM owe us 20mil or so for Modders so wiping that debt would mean us paying 20mil for Coentrao, which is way too much IMO. Make the ****ers pay the lot I say.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
It is not the deal in itself I'm against: Coentrao's a fantastic left-back and we should get him in if he wants to come. However, we should not let the Bale deal fall below a valuation that will enable us to confidently state that we received above 80 million for his services, regardless of how much we gave back to Madrid to enable us to sign Coentrao. It's the conjunction of the two deals that throws up this sort of thing: selling one and signing another within days of the former's departure gives Madrid the ability to placate Ronaldo by saying 'Look, we gave them Coentrao and lowered the value of the deal to below what we paid for you! See, we value you!'.
If this deal unsettles Ronaldo (as apparently is the case), then great. Push for as much unsettling of the guy as we can, because I'd like to see us make them hurt. While that may not be the most businesslike approach, this whole saga has gone too far for me to be either businesslike or reasonable about it.
Who takes the free kicks if Bale and Ronaldo in same team?
braineclipse
Willie Hall
I don't think anyone in their right mind would be able to argue that the deal was smaller than the Ronaldo deal if we get £76-78m + Coentrao for Bale.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Why the ambiguity, though? Why not just make it 81 million + Coentrao? If Madrid don't really plan on using that 'lower value' excuse, then they shouldn't have a problem with bumping it up 3-5 million quid. Especially considering that we've apparently climbed down from demanding 105 million quid for the guy (although that may have just emerged from the fevered brains of a few Marca editors). If they refuse, then there is probably some truth to the assertion that they will eventually try to pull that stunt.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
Coentrao wants to go. Real want him gone. There's no other clubs in for him.
He's worth 9-10m tops at the moment.
He's worth 9-10m tops at the moment.
DublinSpur
Scott Parker
Ronaldo. No question.
I've said it before, but I'll say it again... I think Bale is making a mistake from a career perspective moving to one of the two clubs in the world that unquestionably have a bigger star. If Ronaldo stays at Madrid, I don't think Bale will ever fulfil his true potential.
Weirdly enough, if Bale stayed here and let AVB build a team around him... a team that includes our potentially incredible new signings (Soldado, Paulinho, dare I say it - Willian - and who knows how good Chadli might turn out to be!)... I think there's every chance he'd be winning medals and getting nominated for the Ballon d'Or right here at Tottenham. But at Madrid he'll struggle to escape Ronaldo's shadow.
And one other thing that hasn't been mentioned... Bale has become a symbol of Perez's ambition at Real Madrid. But precisely because of how political that club is, there will be people there who oppose Perez and who will be rooting for Bale to fail just for that reason. Along with the egos in the dressing room (who won't necessarily be happy at all the attention this young upstart from North London is getting) Bale might find himself in a fairly hostile environment.
For his sake, I hope he rises to the adversity and succeeds. But he's turning down a Sure Thing here at Spurs. A chance to be a legend... the heart of the team that returned us to glory - forever remembered. He's abandoning a legacy.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
No ambiguity in it for me at least.
So we would expect to get somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of what you think Coentrao is worth at the very most for Danny Rose?
Gazza
Nick Barmby
I like Bale, but his misguidance will be his pit fall ... he could have been the poster boy for the entire premier league with the team that we have already assembled around him. But like others have posted he will be lost at Real, as in he wont be the head honcho.
They will stick him out to take corners ... I can imagine Ronaldo making jokes about him in Spainish in a sly way and the dressing room laughing at Bale for Banter ...
They will stick him out to take corners ... I can imagine Ronaldo making jokes about him in Spainish in a sly way and the dressing room laughing at Bale for Banter ...
jamonserrano
John Scales
And who takes the free kicks at Spurs without Bale?
Agree with a lot of that
Gazza
Nick Barmby
Soldado or the Gilf?
Sandman
Dean Austin
Chadli can knock them in, Im pretty sure that Walker can hit a few as well.
Gazza
Nick Barmby
Walker is not accurate ... a bit of a hit and hope ... well we do have Lamela and Willian coming in .. i wonder ..
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
If we sold Rose to an English club i would.
Rose is happy enough here if he gets first team football and we seem happy enough to have him here.
Real Madrid want to get rid of Coentrao, he probably know this by now, likely he wants to leave them too. It puts them in a poor negotiating position really.
paxtonwolf
John White
Dont forget Kaboom
nelto
Andy Sinton
:ross:
braineclipse
Willie Hall
We will obviously only sell Rose if we bring in a new first choice left back, would essentially leave us in the same position as Real. Rose has said that he's not interested in going out on loan again and would most likely be interested in a move that would make him first choice somewhere and he would obviously understand that he's not first choice if we buy someone like Coentrao.
Rose turned 23 this summer, has a season of PL football behind him and is capped at England youth level.
Coentrao turned 25 this spring, has two seasons of La Liga football behind him at Real Madrid and has 37 caps for Portugal and is their first choice left back I believe.
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Exactly. Rose would be an expensive purchase.
I don't see the relevance of the international and League football experience. A major factor in the price of a player is whether or not the club want to sell him or not.
The rumours all summer have suggested that they want rid of Coentrao, that puts the buyers in control.
Whilst we are happy with Rose. So people would have to pay over the odds to get him. Added to him being a home grown (club grown) player, which is a valuable asset to have with the current lack of wealth of English talent coming up at the moment.
I'm not stating that Rose is 3/4 the player that Coentrao is or w/e. However i am stating that i would expect that to be the ratio of his value currently.
Whilst there is a correlation between footballer prices and their apparent talent, there are numerous other factors that change it. See VDV. Real didn't want him, so they offloaded him very cheaply. He was worth far more than we paid.
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