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Summer transfer thread, AvB window wrap up pg 1527

Which player would you like to see take over from Luka Modric?

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ArcspacE said:
Because I genuinely believed he was the type of player we stood a chance of bringing in on loan for a season, especially considering Modric is on the brink. He could have added some much needed creativity in the middle and saved us 30m on Moutinho while we searched for a proper Modric replacement. Instead he went for a team who I believe (irrespective of what Wenger spins) shares the same objectives with us - i.e. CL football and will not challenge for the title.
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Sorry Arc mistook the context I thought you were saying it was a disaster because he would improve Arsenal significantly. With Cazorla, Arshavin Arteta etc Don't see what he will add to Arsenal that they don't already have. As for coming to us Can Huddlestone and VDV not play that role until we find a permanent replacement?
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
What are you struggling with? We dont have money. We sell Modric = we have lots of money in our pocket. We can then set about spending said money...

If we have a large sum of money we are able to spend a large sum, in and out, which is more likely than us setting up a line of credit to the tune of £30m to pay out installments in a deal IMO.

Also, in a "cash up front" situation, its possible for us to get more of a deal. Moutinho for example. Reportedly valued at £31m.

Portos choice
Option A) £31m. Over 4 years. £10m up front down payment, £35m installments there after.
Option B) £25m cash. Done.

Can you see that perhaps Option B is agreeable to a club like Porto? And so why we might possibly be pushing Madrid hard for big money up front on Modric?
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Since when don't we have money? We went through this exercise few pages back. Over 25m+ on sales vs. purchases alone since we made the CL for the first time.

And where did the info on Madrid paying in full come from? Is it an assumption to suit the above scenario ? If so - fair enough, but I'll be doubtful at best.
 
Robspur12 said:
Sorry Arc mistook the context I thought you were saying it was a disaster because he would improve Arsenal significantly. With Cazorla, Arshavin Arteta etc Don't see what he will add to Arsenal that they don't already have. As for coming to us Can Huddlestone and VDV not play that role until we find a permanent replacement?
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I think it would improve them to a degree but it's a disaster from our perspective because they're one of our main rivals to 4th and manged to squeeze in a good player
 
ArcspacE said:
Because I genuinely believed he was the type of player we stood a chance of bringing in on loan for a season, especially considering Modric is on the brink. He could have added some much needed creativity in the middle and saved us 30m on Moutinho while we searched for a proper Modric replacement. Instead he went for a team who I believe (irrespective of what Wenger spins) shares the same objectives with us - i.e. CL football and will not challenge for the title.
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I wonder if Sahin was ever really considered as surely we had massive leverage with RM considering the Modric situation.

I've noticed that SSN have not run the Sahin story for a while now. Jumped the gun??
 
Wriggly said:
@gstobart: A thought: would Spurs be childish enough in the Modric negotiations to try and stop Real Madrid from giving Sahin to their biggest rivals?
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I think so, and in this case, it wouldn't be childish. It's football, which plays by slightly different rules. I imagine so many deals are connected, and player trading is important.

If you're rival is signing a good player, it increases the chances of them finishing above you. Arsenal are almost certain not to finish above Man United now, and so they needed a big fee for RVP. If RVP was going abroad, they probably would have accepted less. Just like Modric going abroad means that we will accept slightly less than had we been forced to sell him to a PL club.

So getting benefit from the Modric sale in terms of money, only for them to loan out the player he would be replacing to the club that will directly be competing with us for 3rd or 4th spot, means we would need to be compensated further for that. It looks childish if taken in a purely business sense, but in football sense, obviously finishing position is worth a lot. We can use that to get a bit more money out of the deal, otherwise its less worth our while to sell him.
 
ArcspacE said:
Since when don't we have money? We went through this exercise few pages back. Over 25m+ on sales vs. purchases alone since we made the CL for the first time.

And where did the info on Madrid paying in full come from? Is it an assumption to suit the above scenario ? If so - fair enough, but I'll be doubtful at best.
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I swear you dont actually read what is being said before replying most of the time.

The last page - I put together a hypothetical scenario to suggest a possibility of why and how things were panning out. Explicitly so.

Has it take a page for that to sink in?

I dont think we are particularly rich at all. In fact with the escalating wage bill, multi million pound training complex and proposed stadium development I think we are (and have been) VERY prudent financially.

It is also well known that a) Transfers cost a lot more than the reported figure and b) they arent accounted for in the way people like to tally on here.

I cannot imagine we have a pot of cash just waiting to be spent. I believe it much more likely we have good lines of credit (at a cost) that we can use if we see fit - which means the right deal for the right price...

I think IF we were demanding a huge pay off on Modric it could explain why the deal isnt yet done/seems to be stuck.

In response to your initial point pages ago I think IF we get a huge pay off it is quite possible we would actually do a deal for Moutinho even if it is a large sum (though tangentally I think it could be less than expected)
 
I am probably one of the few posters who feels Hudd will be very much part of AVB,s plans once the squad is complete i.e striker purchased. Imo plays similar role to Moutinho.
 
Robspur12 said:
I am probably one of the few posters who feels Hudd will be very much part of AVB,s plans once the squad is complete i.e striker purchased. Imo plays similar role to Moutinho.
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I cant make my mind up.

On one hand he is easily one of my favorite players, love the guy. Has proven what he can do for us, has shown he can really dictate games and be a match winner with his passing. In a midfield 3 I think his lack of mobility could be less of an issue and he could infact see more of the ball to use to hiss best ability.

On the other, given it seems AVB favours a high intensity, high pressing, high line game... Its hard to argue that suits Huddlestone at all.
 
Dont forget Redknapp cost us £5m in compensation, thats like another transfer in itself.

Graham Hunter was on talksport the other day and said that it was rumoured that Spurs were happy to hold up the Modric transfer a bit as coupled with no pre season meant the player wouldnt be fit for half the season.

Wouldnt surprise me if Sahin said he wanted to move to a team with CL football and we then said fine but you dont get Modric if you loan him to Arsenal. I can see us doing exactly that and we have the upperhand as well. RM have to make a big signing every summer, their fans demand it and at present they have no other option. They have staked everything on this so eventually they will have to crumble and give in to what we want.
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
I dont think we are particularly rich at all. In fact with the escalating wage bill, multi million pound training complex and proposed stadium development I think we are (and have been) VERY prudent financially.

It is also well known that a) Transfers cost a lot more than the reported figure and b) they arent accounted for in the way people like to tally on here.

I cannot imagine we have a pot of cash just waiting to be spent. I believe it much more likely we have good lines of credit (at a cost) that we can use if we see fit - which means the right deal for the right price...

I think IF we were demanding a huge pay off on Modric it could explain why the deal isnt yet done/seems to be stuck.

In response to your initial point pages ago I think IF we get a huge pay off it is quite possible we would actually do a deal for Moutinho even if it is a large sum (though tangentally I think it could be less than expected)
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I've deleted the bits which are not relevant to this discussion

Let me attempt to put the question another way.

If we are indeed the financially prudent and not particurarly rich club who save all their chips for the stadium (presumably) - do you genuinely belive that if tomorrow a club paid us 30m in full we would go and spend all of it the following day on another player when never before in the past has that been the case with smaller and bigger sales of players and you yourself suggested most of it is used to for our larger projects. Even beyond that (on a financial level) - do you think it makes financial sense, all things considered?
 
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