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Coronavirus

There is the other worry. Flu and covid don't get along. Thankfully flu cases were very low but the small amount of cases of flu and covid increased the fatality rate by 40%. With immunity to flu low due to low number of cases last year, the fact we don't know which vaccine we might need to use this year (which type of flu is likely, usually starts in aus. But they are in lockdown). We really don't want a high number of cases of either in winter.
 
scaramanga said:
Do you have good reason to believe a vaccine-proof mutation is likely to occur?
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Well it's now pretty well documented that you can catch covid more than once... I assume down to the variants, bearing that in mind, is it completely out if the question that a fast mutating virus could evade vaccines as well?
 
DTA said:
Well it's now pretty well documented that you can catch covid more than once... I assume down to the variants, bearing that in mind, is it completely out if the question that a fast mutating virus could evade vaccines as well?
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Is it?

The SIREN study found 2 "probable" reinfections from 14,000 cases (0.01%).

Again, this is scientists telling us that reinfection is "possible" because that's their job to not make conclusive statements before conclusively proving something. For the sake of public policy, so close to impossible that the difference is barely perceptible counts as impossible.
 
We are having a lot of infections after vaccination already (i had it after both jabs). Most are asymptomatic many others are symptoms like a cold (which i had). Runny nose sneezing, sore throat and headache. No cough, or fever. What is rare is hospitalisations or deaths. The cdc released the figures for june, 99.5% of deaths were unvaccinated.
 
scaramanga said:
Is it?

The SIREN study found 2 "probable" reinfections from 14,000 cases (0.01%).

Again, this is scientists telling us that reinfection is "possible" because that's their job to not make conclusive statements before conclusively proving something. For the sake of public policy, so close to impossible that the difference is barely perceptible counts as impossible.
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I'm pretty sure thats outdated now.

I know of two people that have caught it twice, one of which had more severe symptoms the second time, although didn't need hospitalisation.
 
DTA said:
I'm pretty sure thats outdated now.

I know of two people that have caught it twice, one of which had more severe symptoms the second time, although didn't need hospitalisation.
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As a coronavirus, it would be highly unusual if covid immunity didn’t wane over time.

I’ve had seasonal flu four or five times (including once after I started having had an annual flu jab); I get the common cold most years.
 
Mikey10 said:
As a coronavirus, it would be highly unusual if covid immunity didn’t wane over time.

I’ve had seasonal flu four or five times (including once after I started having had an annual flu jab); I get the common cold most years.
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Sars covid 1 sufferers had immunity for sars covid 2, 17 years later.

The cold is over 200 different viruses. Not just coronaviruses.
 
Mikey10 said:
As a coronavirus, it would be highly unusual if covid immunity didn’t wane over time.

I’ve had seasonal flu four or five times (including once after I started having had an annual flu jab); I get the common cold most years.
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I was about to respond, but @Lilbaz put it perfectly.
 
DTA said:
I'm pretty sure thats outdated now.

I know of two people that have caught it twice, one of which had more severe symptoms the second time, although didn't need hospitalisation.
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I haven't seen anything in reasonable numbers.

The occurrences are so rare that it's more likely to be sampling and testing errors than it is some magic kind of virus that acts differently to all the other ones.
 
Lilbaz said:
The cold is over 200 different viruses. Not just coronaviruses.
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There are already multiple variations of this particular virus which are in circulation. Impossible at present for anyone to know how it will continue to evolve; and, as a novel virus, whether it will reinfect people.
 
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I wouldn't worry about reinfection. It's going to be mild and it is expected. It actually means you are a host are better at fighting it off. Zero Covid as an end outcome died in Jan 2021. What we had the opportunity then was to suppress the virus down and then when possible we could mass vaccinate. Desire to reach herd immunity of 80% amongst vulnerable folk and then let it be endemic. That's still the target and I'd imagine we aren't far off. As a Covid centrist I'd say let go of your politics and dislike of the Tories and realise we need to open up. Where a mask or stay indoors until you are ready but society and the economy has to reopen fully.
 
Mikey10 said:
There are already multiple variations of this particular virus which are in circulation. Impossible at present for anyone to know how it will continue to evolve; and, as a novel virus, whether it will reinfect people.
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If it starts reinfecting people causing a high rate of hospitalisations and deaths. We can reintroduce restrictions.
But seeing as sars covid 1 was 17 years ago and people who suffered from that have immunity to sars covid 2 it's unlikely. As everyone gets vaccinated and exposed it is likely that sars covid 2 will just become another one of the cold viruses.
 
LutonSpurs said:
I wouldn't worry about reinfection. It's going to be mild and it is expected. It actually means you are a host are better at fighting it off. Zero Covid as an end outcome died in Jan 2021. What we had the opportunity then was to suppress the virus down and then when possible we could mass vaccinate. Desire to reach herd immunity of 80% amongst vulnerable folk and then let it be endemic. That's still the target and I'd imagine we aren't far off. As a Covid centrist I'd say let go of your politics and dislike of the Tories and realise we need to open up. Where a mask or stay indoors until you are ready but society and the economy has to reopen fully.
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Eradication was never a serious proposition outside of a handful of countries. It's why most reopened their economies last summer before cases reached 0. It's not just that you would have to vaccinate everyone on the planet, but animals too. Cats, dogs and mink have all been shown to catch it.
 
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