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Coronavirus

Favour said:
Totally agree.

Last April, stay at home, do not leave your home only for exercise (1 hour) or essential shopping. No click & collect open.

Now (cases up 40%) stay at home only leave for exercise (no time limit) or essential shopping or if you have to go to work. Non essential IS open now using click and collect as a loophole.

Boris and his boys have blood on their hands.
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Exactly that.

It's nothing like the 1st lockdown, we are much busier at work now then we were in the first lockdown. My misses went to pets at home and there were massive queues outside all the shops in the area, Curry's, Halford etc.
 
Yiddo said:
Exactly that.

It's nothing like the 1st lockdown, we are much busier at work now then we were in the first lockdown. My misses went to pets at home and there were massive queues outside all the shops in the area, Curry's, Halford etc.
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People have been given so many mixed messages by the government they don’t know where they are.
 
Yiddo said:
There are mixed messages and then there is common sense.
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I agree. However, when you are told to eat out to help out, get back to the office, and that it’s okay to mix over Christmas then the seriousness of the situation is lost. Add to that the almost constant reversal of policy at very short notice (eg schools this week) then the public will be confused.
 
The thing is this. In the summer when things were not so bad, I posted on here that we should be taking proactive measures as when the cold weather hits it will turn bad. My actual words were something like: "lets not start tossing our selves off until the winter hits when cases will rise" or something of that ilk.

I was accused of fear mongering, by some on here... so what? Those that said that are wrong but are not in government... but how the fudge did those in government not see what was patently obvious to an individual with a media studies degree, who at very best is slight above average intelligence (and that I will admit is debatable)
 
scaramanga said:
Or that deaths are not directly attributable to the freedom with which a society operates and are heavily linked to causes outside the control of a govt.
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I'll give you one thing, you're consistent. Consistently wrong. I think you need a holiday. All this time spent arguing lost causes on a forum can't be good for your health. Maybe log off for a while. Go for some fresh air, but don't forget to wear a mask. Shame Australia won't allow you in at the moment, it's lovely here this time of year. You could have taken a winter break.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Russia definitely. China I’m not so sure now. They don’t have as many obese people as Murica and Western Europe. They eat better and tend to obey government partly through fear, much like the rest of south east Asia. Elon Musk was on Joe Rogan over the summer and he said he’s not been made aware of any deaths out of 7,000 people who work for Tesla in China. This is anecdotal admittedly but I’d say 7,000 is quite a large number and if that represents the general population of China in any way at all then maybe they are not lying about the numbers.
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If the Chinese government say anything publicly, assume the opposite.
 
LutonSpurs said:
I assumed you had proof. Look they might be but we don't know that for sure. We do know that even if you remove them both the data still shows a clear pattern. Zero Covid was always the best way to keep people and the economy alive. We know that now. But the arrogance of anti lockdown folk doesn't allow them to accept they misjudged it.
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I'm not talking about removing them from the data, just shifting them across to the right hand side where most people seem to believe their death count sits.

Then there's no correlation at all.
 
scaramanga said:
I'm not talking about removing them from the data, just shifting them across to the right hand side where most people seem to believe their death count sits.

Then there's no correlation at all.
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There is a correlation between Zero Covid policy and economic prosperity. You are refusing to see that as it would mean you have to admit that you have been wrong for the last 10 months. I understand why that is hard for you mate. You backed the wrong horse.
 
LutonSpurs said:
There is a correlation between Zero Covid policy and economic prosperity. You are refusing to see that as it would mean you have to admit that you have been wrong for the last 10 months. I understand why that is hard for you mate. You backed the wrong horse.
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If we were to assume that there is correlation between deaths and economic prospects (and I think both China and Russia would make that look a lot less like correlation), it's a massive leap to associate a Zero COVID policy with low death rates.

Too many countries with harsh lockdowns have high death rates for it to be nearly as simple as that.
 
scaramanga said:
If we were to assume that there is correlation between deaths and economic prospects (and I think both China and Russia would make that look a lot less like correlation), it's a massive leap to associate a Zero COVID policy with low death rates.

Too many countries with harsh lockdowns have high death rates for it to be nearly as simple as that.
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Harsh lockdowns aren't good lockdowns. The total suppression policy seems to have worked according to the data.
 
Mikey10 said:
This article seems to be largely based on figures from the start of the second wave (in September) until now. What I read (I’ll try to find it and post here) and heard (a SAGE member interviewed on Times Radio) was based on what’s going on now, with the emergence of the new variant.
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Yes, I have heard a few Doctors interviewed who are saying the average age for seriously ill covid patients in hospital is now 60.
Whilst anecdotal rather than statistical, based on what they are seeing in their own domains, it is different to what we were hearing last year.
 
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