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Am greatly concerned at all this talk about Athletes getting vaccinated in time for 2021 Olympics and Sean Dyche now coming out saying we should vaccinate PL players once all clinically at risk people complete.

fudge. THAT.

Wait your goddamn turn, in no way should we prioritise fudging sports over the general population.
 
Diamond Lights said:
Am greatly concerned at all this talk about Athletes getting vaccinated in time for 2021 Olympics and Sean Dyche now coming out saying we should vaccinate PL players once all clinically at risk people complete.

fudge. THAT.

Wait your goddamn turn, in no way should we prioritise fudging sports over the general population.
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I wouldn't worry too much. It has been taken out of context to make a story I think. There is apparently only 380 athletes and there are 100million doses of vaccines. Its also 6 months away so if they were gonna jump anyone in the queue it would be other young people by then as all the elderly and vulnerable will have long been vaccinated by then. This is all assuming there is still a need for them to be vaccinated by then too, if the vaccine has the expected outcome then these athletes might not even require a vaccine to compete.

As a general point though, Yes I agree, no one should be jumping the queue in front of someone who needs it more.
 
as mentioned the wife's family are South African, speaking to people there, apparently numbers dropping like flies, and lots of those don't figure in the 'official' numbers but it's from COVID new strain there.
 
scaramanga said:
I thought it was quite widely accepted that both were.
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For the sake of argument accepting that. And accepting that we choose to change the plot points for China and Russia alone ignoring other countries that may have inaccurate data.

What would a U shaped curve tell us? That the economy (as measured by GDP) will take a hit regardless of strategy, and that it's possible to protect the economy to a fairly similar degree with different strategies?

Wouldn't that still indicate that the choice between covid impacts (illness and death) and the economy was a false choice?
 
braineclipse said:
For the sake of argument accepting that. And accepting that we choose to change the plot points for China and Russia alone ignoring other countries that may have inaccurate data.

What would a U shaped curve tell us? That the economy (as measured by GDP) will take a hit regardless of strategy, and that it's possible to protect the economy to a fairly similar degree with different strategies?

Wouldn't that still indicate that the choice between covid impacts (illness and death) and the economy was a false choice?
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Or that deaths are not directly attributable to the freedom with which a society operates and are heavily linked to causes outside the control of a govt.
 
Yiddo said:
I think the country needs harsher measures in place.
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Totally agree.

Last April, stay at home, do not leave your home only for exercise (1 hour) or essential shopping. No click & collect open.

Now (cases up 40%) stay at home only leave for exercise (no time limit) or essential shopping or if you have to go to work. Non essential IS open now using click and collect as a loophole.

Boris and his boys have blood on their hands.
 
scaramanga said:
The loose trend line only really works if China & Russia aren't lying. We all know they are.

The trend would look very different with that adjusted.
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Russia definitely. China I’m not so sure now. They don’t have as many obese people as Murica and Western Europe. They eat better and tend to obey government partly through fear, much like the rest of south east Asia. Elon Musk was on Joe Rogan over the summer and he said he’s not been made aware of any deaths out of 7,000 people who work for Tesla in China. This is anecdotal admittedly but I’d say 7,000 is quite a large number and if that represents the general population of China in any way at all then maybe they are not lying about the numbers.
 
scaramanga said:
I thought it was quite widely accepted that both were.
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I assumed you had proof. Look they might be but we don't know that for sure. We do know that even if you remove them both the data still shows a clear pattern. Zero Covid was always the best way to keep people and the economy alive. We know that now. But the arrogance of anti lockdown folk doesn't allow them to accept they misjudged it.
 
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