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Non UK nationals coming in from Denmark to the UK will be refused entry. This approach should have been taken across the board 6 months ago.
 
monkeybarry said:
That actually misses the point - they have reduced numbers to zero everywhere; that includes the cities. So your comparison doesn't stand up.
It's a harder task in the UK, but the principles remain the same and need to be driven by solid governance and compliance.
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If it's next to impossible to travel between areas that are their approximation of civilisation, then it becomes impossible to spread between regions.

If the population of the UK were spread over the space of Europe then it would be a similar challenge.
 
scaramanga said:
If it's next to impossible to travel between areas that are their approximation of civilisation, then it becomes impossible to spread between regions.

If the population of the UK were spread over the space of Europe then it would be a similar challenge.
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The underlying principles of virus suppression are the same - saying Australia is big and that's why they were successful is a cop out.
Yes it was very very helpful - but if (and it is a big if) that was successful then it needs replication in other countries. Nothing is impossible; the barriers are politics, not geography.
 
monkeybarry said:
The underlying principles of virus suppression are the same - saying Australia is big and that's why they were successful is a cop out.
Yes it was very very helpful - but if (and it is a big if) that was successful then it needs replication in other countries. Nothing is impossible; the barriers are politics, not geography.
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There are streets not too far from me that span a county border. How do you keep the virus from transmitting across states (or in this case counties) and enforce quarantine when one has to cross a boundary to go to a shop?

Having a country where people are outnumbered by sheep during the summer is the solution. Not one we can implement.
 
scaramanga said:
There are streets not too far from me that span a county border. How do you keep the virus from transmitting across states (or in this case counties) and enforce quarantine when one has to cross a boundary to go to a shop?

Having a country where people are outnumbered by sheep during the summer is the solution. Not one we can implement.
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We will go round in circles here - you are being defeatist IMHO (not something I often associate with you). It is possible - it's hard (harder than in NZ and OZ), but possible. It'll be uncomfortable. Victoria had 110 day lockdown - that's hard..... pandemics are. It's very likely people had to go a bit further for groceries - in the UK that "bit far" wouldn't actually be that far.
I don't think you need to do each county, but as that's the position you have set, it is possible. What the longest journey across from the border of the largest English county to the other? An hour and a half? Boo fudging hoo, a small number of people having to travel an couple of hours round trip to buy milk and brick paper. If that is the sacrifice that needs making.....I think it'll be ok.
 
monkeybarry said:
We will go round in circles here - you are being defeatist IMHO (not something I often associate with you). It is possible - it's hard (harder than in NZ and OZ), but possible. It'll be uncomfortable. Victoria had 110 day lockdown - that's hard..... pandemics are. It's very likely people had to go a bit further for groceries - in the UK that "bit far" wouldn't actually be that far.
I don't think you need to do each county, but as that's the position you have set, it is possible. What the longest journey across from the border of the largest English county to the other? An hour and a half? Boo fudging hoo, a small number of people having to travel an couple of hours round trip to buy milk and brick paper. If that is the sacrifice that needs making.....I think it'll be ok.
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It's not defeatist, it's realism. If country that's 99% dirt and spiders took over three months to temporarily pause something that will return anyway (unless they luck into a vaccine in the very near future) them it'll take civilisation far longer.
 
scaramanga said:
It's not defeatist, it's realism. If country that's 99% dirt and spiders took over three months to temporarily pause something that will return anyway (unless they luck into a vaccine in the very near future) them it'll take civilisation far longer.
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And there is the key question.
If isolation eradicated it, apply that wider and you have a solution.
What's the alternative? Herd immunity doesn't look feasible.
 
nayenezgani said:
Protect the vulnerable. How?
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I gave up asking that question on here about a month ago. There was never a sensible answer.

Hence the reason not a single country in the world has tried it. Heard a doctor on Radio 4 today saying it would mean trying to isolate around 15 million people in the U.K. - millions of them living in houses with people who aren’t vulnerable.

It’s easy to say but impossible to do.
 
monkeybarry said:
3rd behind Netherlands and Belgium; however not dissimilar to Germany. That's the UK.

England however is 2nd behind Netherlands.

I really think we should got total and hard lockdown for a short period (20 days?) to aggressively reduce the number and then review.
But for Europe we need a consistent approach.
Australia has the advantage of being the physical size of Europe but with very few people.
They also were aggressive, closing the borders to Kiwi's and there own citizens.

We have a halfway house in the UK.
And a wider problem in Europe.
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Australia is one of the most urbanized nations on earth. Sure there is a lot of land mass, but err... nobody much lives there. Everybody lives in the cites
 
Mikey10 said:
I gave up asking that question on here about a month ago. There was never a sensible answer.

Hence the reason not a single country in the world has tried it. Heard a doctor on Radio 4 today saying it would mean trying to isolate around 15 million people in the U.K. - millions of them living in houses with people who aren’t vulnerable.

It’s easy to say but impossible to do.
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there been plenty of sensible answers.

Isolating 15 million is easier than isolating 66 million, given the amount of money we have spunked on this.

given the reaction sweden got for going a different way, is it a shock no one else has tried it except a few places.
 
Fcuking Danes have been having sex with minks and now the is a new covid, even stronger that kills everyone.

I mean I like their furniture but this is beyond the pale. Disgusting people, did not realise stuff like this went on out there.
 
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