Coronavirus

[scaramanga]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11...updates-covid19-latest-mental-health/12836336

Yeah, no thanks. I'd rather let people die because 'the economy.'

I'm not suggesting it's as easy to get case levels to 0 in England as it is in Australia or NZ, but this country haven't given themselves even the slightest chance with the way it's been handled. I included both the general population and the government in those at fault.

Victoria were in big trouble and they went into lockdown that was enforced by Police with fines. People (mostly) did their bit and didn't behave like selfish fudging clams. Despite the Murdoch media constantly undermining the decision and behaving, well, a lot like you actually.

They fully reopened in-store retail this week, basically as normal. It was a SARS style lockdown, inspired by SE Asian countries who have been there and done this before. Guess what? Their precious economy can start to recover now.

Bojo and his bunch of clowns are trying to follow suit after the horse has fudging bolted.

If the answer is police/military enforced compliance then fudge it in the eye.

 

[SteveAWOL]

...
So levels of immunity to sars cov 2 is still an unclear in other words. The beauty of scientific research is that, especially in the early days nothing is clear. Which means it is far too early to suggest whether we are building up natural herd immunity.

Yup, hopefully this T-Cell study which is currently being rolled out will provide the virologists with more answers...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1308419006228049920

Such as why in London, even 6 weeks after case numbers started rocketing, there’s (thankfully) yet to be a corresponding increase in hospitalisations or deaths like we saw back in April...

 

[scaramanga]

In the case of the Sars-cov virus there are studies suggesting the memory B cells also disappeared upto 6 months after infection. The centre for evidenced based medicine suggests there may be some cross reactivity of t-cell immunity from other coronavirus infections. But don’t overplay your hand. There is not yet sufficient data to conclude either way regarding the length of immunity.

It's the T cells that count with SARS. Coming up for two decades of immunity in the closest other virus we've ever seen - scientists are always cautious in their predictions, this is about as confident as you'll ever see them for something like this.

 

[Legohamster]

You've used this as ammo before with a previous poster, you low piece of filth.

I'm not suggesting this is acceptable, at all. I'm talking about approach and being able to stick to a general strategy.

fudge off.

Own the deaths you have pushed for.

 

[Mikey10]

Just let people die because of lock down instead?

No need to worry about that. What’s been proposed this time is not a lockdown.

 

[nayenezgani]

Own the deaths you have pushed for.

46,555. Own it, you sick fudge.

 

[scaramanga]

No need to worry about that. What’s been proposed this time is not a lockdown.

Still a violation of our rights all the same.

I want a haircut - I can't get one. I want to go out for dinner - I can't.

It's fudging preposterous.

 

[nayenezgani]

Still a violation of our rights all the same.

I want a haircut - I can't get one. I want to go out for dinner - I can't.

It's fudging preposterous.

Wah, wah, wah, wah, me, me, me, me...

 

[scaramanga]

Wah, wah, wah, wah, me, me, me, me...

It absolutely is preposterous.

It's like being a poor person in one of those brick countries where the military are in charge.

 

[Legohamster]

46,555. Own it, you sick fudge.

46,555. Own it, you sick fudge.

So angry, you seem to be worried about the 2.5 million NHS waiting list now

or the 1 million missed breast screening appointments

or the increase in deaths from heart/stroke deaths at home

Or the increased suicides?

I could go on - but you don’t care about these people so there is not much point -

But of course, none of the 44k deaths were sadly going to pass away shortly anyway.

 

[scaramanga]

So angry, you seem to be worried about the 2.5 million NHS waiting list now

or the 1 million missed breast screening appointments

or the increase in deaths from heart/stroke deaths at home

Or the increased suicides?

I could go on - but you don’t care about these people so there is not much point -

But of course, none of the 44k deaths were sadly going to pass away shortly anyway.

Let's not ignore all the reduced life expectancy and opportunities caused by the increased poverty.

 

[Mikey10]

Still a violation of our rights all the same.

I want a haircut - I can't get one. I want to go out for dinner - I can't.

It's fudging preposterous.

Buy some clippers and a take away meal from M&S.

It absolutely is preposterous.

It's like being a poor person in one of those brick countries where the military are in charge.

The military tend to organise things well, so not a great comparison.

 

[Legohamster]

No need to worry about that. What’s been proposed this time is not a lockdown.

Can everyone who started with a job in March go to work on Friday?

Can people see a doctor / dentist without hassle?

it’s enough of a lockdown to cause damage.

 

[scaramanga]

Buy some clippers and a take away meal from M&S.

And look like an ASBO? I'll let it grow for now, thanks.

The military tend to organise things well, so not a great comparison.

Not sure there's much difference between doing nothing organised by the military and doing nothing organised by anyone else.

 

[Notmegov]

Buggery is the only difference.

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[Mosquito_Coasting]

I've not been able to get my B12 injections which I need every 3 months for 8 months now
Go and buy tablets they said, what if I couldn't afford them

Sorry to hear that Marky, .

Lockdown is essentially the measure you put in place because you have not adequately implemented your other measures first. Namely test, trace and isolate and as Professor Sridhar explains, the control of your borders to prevent the reintroduction of the virus.

So seems again while we're locked down any Tom, dingdong or Harry can fly into the country?

 

[Mikey10]

Can everyone who started with a job in March go to work on Friday?

Can people see a doctor / dentist without hassle?

it’s enough of a lockdown to cause damage.

Yes, you can see a doctor or dentist in the normal way - for non-urgent appointments as well as more pressing ones.

You can also take your kids to or from school or university; they can continue to attend as normal; you can go to work (who’s to qualify whether you can work from home or not?); go to the supermarket; click and collect non-essential shopping; make any domestic journey you want (you are only ‘advised’ not to make non-essential ones); go to visit relatives (who qualifies whether they are vulnerable or not?); have a person from outside your home visit; attend court; travel back into the country from abroad without being tested or quarantined; and probably a few other things I have missed.

It’s really not a lockdown. And it’s likely to have a very limited effect.

 

[Mikey10]

So angry, you seem to be worried about the 2.5 million NHS waiting list now

or the 1 million missed breast screening appointments

or the increase in deaths from heart/stroke deaths at home

Or the increased suicides?

I could go on - but you don’t care about these people so there is not much point -

But of course, none of the 44k deaths were sadly going to pass away shortly anyway.

As many medical people have been pointing out in the media this morning, once the health service becomes overwhelmed by Covid hospitalisations then none of those things happen anyway.

I’m not really clear what you are proposing. Let the virus run and anyone badly enough affected by it dies at home or in a hospital car park?

And the answer isn’t ‘shield the vulnerable‘. We are looking at a government that turns up almost three hours late to its own press conference.

 

[Legohamster]

As many medical people have been pointing out in the media this morning, once the health service becomes overwhelmed by Covid hospitalisations then none of those things happen anyway.

I’m not really clear what you are proposing. Let the virus run and anyone badly enough affected by it dies at home or in a hospital car park?

Hospitals were at 60 percent at peak - which was before the last lock down started

that’s not even close to being over run - we are currently on par with a normal year in hospitals admissions.

Yes, you can see a doctor or dentist in the normal way - for non-urgent appointments as well as more pressing ones.

You can also take your kids to or from school or university; they can continue to attend as normal; you can go to work (who’s to qualify whether you can work from home or not?); go to the supermarket; click and collect non-essential shopping; make any domestic journey you want (you are only ‘advised’ not to make non-essential ones); go to visit relatives (who qualifies whether they are vulnerable or not?); have a person from outside your home visit; attend court; travel back into the country from abroad without being tested or quarantined; and probably a few other things I have missed.

It’s really not a lockdown. And it’s likely to have a very limited effect.

GPs are not accepting appointments as normal, you have to jump through hoops to be seen, then the chances are it won’t be face to face and via a FaceTime esq system - dentists waiting times have doubled as well - so far from normal.

If it’s unlikely to have an impact, then it shouldn’t be done at all.

 

[Baleforce]

I tried to get a dentist appointment last week and was told it was emergency appointments only still.