thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
Jay Beecher. The man who helped design UKIP and their Brexit lies before turning on his own and writing a snitch-book when it was too late to save people from eating their own brick. A total and utter clam. fudge.Him.
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Jay Beecher. The man who helped design UKIP and their Brexit lies before turning on his own and writing a snitch-book when it was too late to save people from eating their own brick. A total and utter clam. fudge.Him.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
On the money. I am tired of it. Very very fudging tired of it everywhere. Today, I feel as though my capacity for reasoned and polite debate has been diminished to a stray degree.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Maybe but what he says is totally true
Lammy has not had a deprived childhood or life in any way, shape or form
SpurMeUp
Jimmy Cantrell
Why does that matter? Were you looking for him to be a bit more like Jay Z? Lammy from the Block.
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Grays_1890
Colin Calderwood
The issue for me with him is he has lost his way in my opinion. When he lived in Peterborough and studying he was a more of an open progressive mind, his belief of there are good, bad and the middle of confused when it comes to beliefs has now turned into a divisive view of there are good and bad and that’s it. We all know even on this forum that isn’t the case and had some great debates the last few days about it. His view was more about work and education in communities about change on both sides, he lobbied for fathers to take more responsibility from Afro Caribbean communities as it was hugely linked to crime, I think he even tried to push through fathers being forced to be on birth certificates to be held up to their responsibility. That’s all now been lost to what I see today as a lot of hate and division when I honestly believe he could have a more level approach and use his own experiences as a beacon of what can be achieved because as much as racism in the system does exist it doesn’t always and it is often the perception there is no hope that causes communities not to try. If you promote that line rather than bring some of the positives to the fore then in my opinion he is doing a disservice to his constituents.
The cynic in me and I could be off here does lean me to believe his personality now fits him and it secures he political future. I also look at a man of the people who is a 40 minute tube away from Westminster who cost his tax payers a huge amount in a second home.
Diamond Lights
Didier Zokora
Ah yes, growing up in a single parent household in Tottenham, must have been an absolute fiesta growing up, some people refer to Tottenham as the 'Cotswolds of London' don't you know...
You're basing the entirey of his life on the basis of the school he went to on the back of a scholarship. I received a bursary to study at uni because of my parents low income, ergo, i must never have faced difficulty growing up.x
Edit: I've never seen my parents car be taken away due to lack of payment, i've never had to work throughout higher education, i never spent practically my whole childhood never going on holiday, i've never seen my parents declared bankrupt, all because i once recieved a bursary to study. Cool.
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Baleforce
Martin Peters
It doesn't matter what they feel, that's irrelevant.
What matters is the reality, and little of the racism he claims to exist actually does.
Diamond Lights
Didier Zokora
I don’t like Lammy at all but he does seem to represent his constituents well.
He’s his own worst enemy though - for all the positive stuff like the Marr Show appearance last week he can also let himself down like with his knee jerk comments around the Papal election which just allow his detractors to claim he’s always looking for the racist angle.
He’s his own worst enemy though - for all the positive stuff like the Marr Show appearance last week he can also let himself down like with his knee jerk comments around the Papal election which just allow his detractors to claim he’s always looking for the racist angle.
Grays_1890
Colin Calderwood
Whilst on Haringey they have more of an issue with domestic abuse, LGBT Discrimination, child neglect and abuse and high crime numbers. Maybe the outward twitter man of the people side gets Lammy the votes by covering up many of the local issues in his constituency
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
If you work hard enough in my company you will get on no matter what colour you are
I have got to my management position by working my nuts off and being good at my job not because I'm white
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
I have no idea what Lammy's childhood was like. In fact, knowing what public schools can be like, and given he might well have been one of the only black kids there, I wouldn't doubt that he got it tenfold from them. Still, I don't know so shouldn't speculate. No-one should, especially not that prick IMO!
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
It is, for me, a tired argument mate. When things get real he should what, dial it down and speak in muffled tones? Sorry. No politician does, and if he did, he'd be toast.
Deadbeat Dads are tossers whatever communities they're from, end of.
Again, I like positivity and reasoned debate, but I also know that sometimes to be heard you have to adapt to the room. The current room -the one we've had a for a few years globally- has seen populism rising steadily everywhere, to the point it is a genuine global threat. One might say that had there been more shouting down of these clams at the start of it all, then maybe now we could be having reasoned discussions. Instead, the reasoned response were taken advantage of and we have a world teetering not only on the precipice of intense separatism but in the grip of a pandemic which has rendered most people temporarily insane to varying degrees. it is not a good roostertail.
I hope -like you do- that in the coming months we can find wide ground for decent discourse at levels where progressive change can be made. I also hope we can stick to the important issues and not get bogged down in ridiculous scenarios like banning classic satire as some "signal".
But right now, I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with David Lammy or what he's saying.
I presume that means we agree to disagree!
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
Thank you for that definitive statement. I'll be sure to take it as the final word on truth.
n.b. there "might" be a smidgen of sarcasm in the above sentence.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
It is laughable isn't it.
Apparently everyone knows what David Lammy's "cushy" life has been. You have to laugh, you really do. I am fast getting done being polite. As I said to Grays (someone with whom I have enjoyed some decent and reasoned exchanges) people have to read the room they're in. I'm fast-reading this one, and it sits somewhere between bell and igerent. Time to join the party? Let's see...
If that was restricted geographically to Tottenham only, that would be one case for every two residents.
1 case is too many, but that's a very long way from showing that racism is the biggest problem for residents of Tottenham.
Grays_1890
Colin Calderwood
Again I agree to an extent however he isn’t just a face and a voice he is a highly influential person in a position of certain power elected by people who obviously respect him. He has used 8 years or more now shouting in the same way and it’s not produced the results he or anyone wants. Just because he is not in government does not mean as an MP he can’t be part of the solution himself.
As someone said I don’t know what it means to be a black man, same token Boris doesn’t probably even less than a pleb like me, Lammy does, surely his efforts are better presenting solutions, providing examples of his grassroots efforts that work?
Im not asking him to do this moonlighting from his day job, this is his job even not in government. And let’s not forget in this historic racism laden country he was an MP in a government of power for 10 years from 2000-2010, he has to himself be accountable if he is holding Boris who is a clam to account after 6 months, that just stands to reason.
We all have a responsibility to this, regardless of race including Lammy. And I will end by saying let’s not get bogged down by Lammys skin colour in summary, I just don’t think he is a very good politician, his profile is bigger than his actual achievements (I don’t class twitter count as an achievement) yet his profile is a lot higher than real standard bearers like Grant and Boateng.
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Is that true, I was looking at his wikipedia as I dont really know much about him and it says that which would be the opposite:
In January 2019 Lammy described Rod Liddle having a column in a weekly newspaper as a "national disgrace" and accused Liddle of having “white middle class privilege” for expressing the view that absent fathers played a role in violent crime involving black youths.[57] Writing in an article for The Spectator, Liddle disputed Lammy's claim that he was raised in a family reliant on tax credits, which were not introduced in the United Kingdom until Lammy was aged 31
Apparently he also said the ERG are the same as the Nazi party and doubled down on the comments in a later interview as well, he doesn't hold back.
To be fair he has already written a report commissioned by Cameron with several recommendations, by all means hold another review if needed but he's bang on that there's already been several reviews with recommendations that could be implemented.
Grays_1890
Colin Calderwood
Tottenham Labour MP David Lammy said most young people who have stabbed someone to death come from single parent families.
Former gang member Sheldon Thomas, now a government advisor on youth violence, said he agreed with Mr Lammy "100%".
He said his and others' warnings had fallen on deaf ears for at least 20 years.
Mr Lammy, whose own father walked out, said after regularly visiting Feltham Young Offenders Institute he found that most, if not all, offenders did not have access to their fathers.
He also suggested that most of the people involved in last year's London riots were from single parent homes.
Link below is from another article
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18476287