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Which has to be balanced with many breadwinners in families potentially dying if the virus is allowed to run unfettered through society. Lots on long term sick leave as they recover. People unwilling to visit shops and restaurants because of fear of contracting the virus (the Chinese government is currently giving away vouchers to encourage people to leave their homes and spend).

Not easy whichever viewpoint or approach you take.

The issue there is and again I see it here, people want earlier/longer lock downs and also the economy to survive or the government to at least find the complete survival of the U.K. for as long as we are locked down which I personally see as an unrealistic expectation.

In order for society to get back on track I think we are going to have to navigate some kind of risk or accept it as part of the recovery.
 
The issue there is and again I see it here, people want earlier/longer lock downs and also the economy to survive or the government to at least find the complete survival of the U.K. for as long as we are locked down which I personally see as an unrealistic expectation.

In order for society to get back on track I think we are going to have to navigate some kind of risk or accept it as part of the recovery.

It will be on an individual basis though as speaking for myself:

a) I would rather not catch it.
b) I definitely do not want to spread it to my elderly friends and parents

So I wouldn’t listen to the government, but would listen to the senior citizens.
 
Which has to be balanced with many breadwinners in families potentially dying if the virus is allowed to run unfettered through society. Lots on long term sick leave as they recover. People unwilling to visit shops and restaurants because of fear of contracting the virus (the Chinese government is currently giving away vouchers to encourage people to leave their homes and spend).

Not easy whichever viewpoint or approach you take.
The overwhelmingly vast majority of people within working age are either asymptomatic or recover fully and quickly. Really nothing to worry about in comparison there.
 
It will be on an individual basis though as speaking for myself:

a) I would rather not catch it.
b) I definitely do not want to spread it to my elderly friends and parents

So I wouldn’t listen to the government, but would listen to the senior citizens.

I don't want to catch it but there will come a point where I would weigh up going back to work if the industry ignited and the virus was not 100% under control. I coudl avoid the spread to my friends and parents.
 
The issue there is and again I see it here, people want earlier/longer lock downs and also the economy to survive or the government to at least find the complete survival of the U.K. for as long as we are locked down which I personally see as an unrealistic expectation.

In order for society to get back on track I think we are going to have to navigate some kind of risk or accept it as part of the recovery.

I've said similar before but I think you've hit on one of the big issues with politics, and perhaps even society in general there. Far too many people are completely unable to keep their expectations in line with the real world & environment.
 
For testing, I think there has been a huge mistake trying to centralise testing in a few NHS labs. Instead we should have decentralised testing and used all the many small labs up and down the nation.

There is no doubt, that not getting testing moving quicker and putting in place systems to test care workers effectively, has cost thousands of lives. Some GPs and hospital have paid for testing from small local labs. Often they find asymptomatic nurses who would have worked with patients completely unaware that they are caring the virus. How many people went into hospital for one thing, and die from this virus?

We are still not testing effectively 1 month into lockdown. Even us lot on this board could see weeks ago that testing was fundamental to saving lives and exiting the lockdown. I am baffled as to why more has not been done. Can only conclude that those in charge are not agile, forward-thinking or able to handle such an event. Why the PM and Cabinet have not taken charge and sorted it, is worrying.

Indeed... despite the Covididiot-in-Chief, the USA are testing twice as many people per capita than UK has managed thus far.


Government claimed we’d be testing 25,000 people per day by middle of April but we’ve not even managed 16,000 in a day as yet o_O

 
Government claimed we’d be testing 25,000 people per day by middle of April but we’ve not even managed 16,000 in a day as yet o_O
Raab potentially digging himself a hole on this today, reckons we'll be at 100k per day in the next 8 days. Hope his confidence is well placed.
 
So the Liverpool/Athletico Madrid match isn't going away as an issue. Brought up in PMQ's.

I have to say, it seemed insane to me at the time to allow that match to go ahead (or more to the point, to allow away supporters to travel and attend) given that Madrid was already being highlighted as a virus hotspot. Will be interesting to see whether they do manage to establish a concrete link between this event and higher case numbers. Will definitely go in the government's minus column if so.

In a vaguely similar way though I wonder if (and to what extent) the behaviour of a significant chunk of the general public around that time, in regard to piling into supermarkets en masse, might also have acted as an accelerant for the virus spreading? It'd be slightly more difficult to pin that on the government if it did. Not that I'm sure it'd stop a fair few from trying...
 
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The overwhelmingly vast majority of people within working age are either asymptomatic or recover fully and quickly. Really nothing to worry about in comparison there.

More people are following on from Stories in the states that the numbers that have caught it have been underestimated by up to 85x the numbers they have, which means the level of risk is much much lower.
 
That's precisely the problem. The only advantage a vaccine has in this scenario is that it can be administered without needing to contract the actual virus, but it means regular and continual vaccination. For everyone. Forever.
I remember hearing an in-depth discussion exactly about the this and the suggested result was along those line and vaccinating over time to manipulate the virus and body to create a tolerance - much like the flu, where it still kills but in general the numbers are lower.
I'm no Dr, so don't know how realistic that is. It was leading professionals talking, but it was also 2(? - who even knows what time is these days?!) weeks ago
 
So the Liverpool/Athletico Madrid match isn't going away as an issue. bought up in PMQ's.

I have to say, it seemed insane to me at the time to allow that match to go ahead (or more to the point, to allow away supporters to travel and attend) given that Madrid was already being highlighted as a virus hotspot. Will be interesting to see whether they do manage to establish a concrete link between this event and higher case numbers. Will definitely go in the government's minus column if so.

In a vaguely similar way though I wonder if (and to what extent) the behaviour of a significant chunk of the general public around that time, in regard to piling into supermarkets en masse, might also have acted as an accelerant for the virus spreading? It'd be slightly more difficult to pin that on the government if it did. Not that I'm sure it'd stop a fair few from trying...

I find it interesting on a few fronts:

We allowed it?

Italian and Spanish clubs on lockdown sold away tickets to overseas game? Juve went to PSG did they not?

Italian and Spanish government were allowing scores of football fans to travel abroad considering they were living the nightmare at a then peak? Why send your fans abroad to infect but importantly to them be infected by other fans both their own and others?

I find that a mind boggling on many levels
 
So basically we won’t become immune to this and it will pop up like other flu’s throughout the year due to not being able to find a vaccine?
 
There was a tv news item last night about a small island in Estonia,they held a volleyball game against an italian side and a local social evening/carnival before a lockdown came in........70% of the island have the virus now......
 
There was a tv news item last night about a small island in Estonia,they held a volleyball game against an italian side and a local social evening/carnival before a lockdown came in........70% of the island have the virus now......

Saaremaa island has 31k population

Estonia have 43 deaths from corona virus in total.

If those numbers are correct it backs up reports saying it is not as deadly as first reported- which is good news
 
Just cycled through my village through the sussex countryside to ditchling up past devils dyke in the south downs. Such a beautiful day the is no where else in the world i would rather be right now.
The run of weather we've had and living in Sussex is a match made in heaven. With the crowds being told to stay away everything is sooooo quite. Real quite.

And for you roadbikers (i gave up because of the risk) it is bliss.... 90% less cars to knock you off:D
 
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