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So, your final thoughts 2011-2012 season?

Low points - Defeat at Emirates on my first visit to the Stadium
The 5-1 home defeat by City. Not because we were outplayed, just the realism that City were going to become Chelsea Mk II and buy themselves the title

High points - Loads. But the opening 15/20 minutes v Saudi Sportswashing Machine was just amazing
 
Lows:
- Losing a Cup semi-final against the second worst of all opponents in an extremely bitter way.
- St Totteringhams Day

High:
- Claiming 28 points out of 10 league games after a dreadful start and beating Woolwich along the way.
 
mick cooper said:
Has any manager who has come out and railed at officialdom, ever achieved anything, apart from high blood pressure from doing what you asked for?
Personally I think it shows more dignity to not do so, like the saying goes, no-one likes a poor loser.

one mans meat, and all that
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Your post. no. 95. View highlighted.

Referees are most certainly influenced by the actions of some managers, with SAF being a prime example.

Care to remember your original point.
 
Klinsmania said:
Sorry mate, but that's a load of brick. If the scum had taken the points earned between late Feb and early April, and averaged it out over a season then they would have got 114 points. It stands to reason that if you look at the average points per game during your best period of the season it would be way higher than the end of season points per game average. Blips will happen, and it's generally the team that is the most consistent that wins the league.
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No... it sin't brick. Its facts. The points don't lie. WE DID NOT HAVE A BLIP. 9 GAMES IS NOT A BLIP.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Sheffield Spur, who would you replace Redknapp with?
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Ideally Mourhino. Or a world class equivalent. To bust a gut to get. That will cost money, but its a starting point for Spurs to climb back to the elite.

A manager who can attract the best. A winner.

Anything less and we will continue to tread water whilst 'the elite' continue to win all that is worth winning.

The manager is the most important cog in the football club.

If you want to be the best, you have to hire the best.
 
I enjoyed the way we played this year, I'm disappointed we fell away after losing to City, but we were contenders for the first time in years and to me that great. The worse thing about this season is our fans they now expect us to win every game by 2 or 3 goals without a class striker like citys' or rvp. Really sad to see Ledley come to the end of what should have been a great career.
 
Everyone else is trying to achieve the same thing. What makes you think we have the divine right to be challenging at the top above other clubs with similar fanbases/resources? We can not compete financially with the teams immediately around us (with the exception of Saudi Sportswashing Machine) nor with Liverpool, so we have to accept that steady growth is the only way we will ever reach where we want to be. Sacking the best manager we've had for the last 20 years is not the answer.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
I enjoyed the way we played this year, I'm disappointed we fell away after losing to City, but we were contenders for the first time in years and to me that great. The worse thing about this season is our fans they now expect us to win every game by 2 or 3 goals without a class striker like citys' or rvp. Really sad to see Ledley come to the end of what should have been a great career.
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We are improving a little bit every year too in my opinion. Even last year when we finished 5th, we did so being in contention of finishing top four DESPITE it being our first foray into the Champions League. Then we finish 4th again the year after despite the emergence of Emirates Marketing Project and therefore finishing ahead of two of the old "Sky 4".

If Chelsea lose to FC Bayern then it'll be interesting to see if we can make the next step in our evolution which will be having a decent Champions League run i.e. get out of the group AND still be able to finish top four.
 
Sheffield Spur said:
Ideally Mourhino. Or a world class equivalent. To bust a gut to get. That will cost money, but its a starting point for Spurs to climb back to the elite.

A manager who can attract the best. A winner.

Anything less and we will continue to tread water whilst 'the elite' continue to win all that is worth winning.

The manager is the most important cog in the football club.

If you want to be the best, you have to hire the best.
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Or hire the best you can realistically get. I don't know what you smoke, but can you do me a favour and let me have a go? :mickey:
 
Klinsmania said:
Everyone else is trying to achieve the same thing. What makes you think we have the divine right to be challenging at the top above other clubs with similar fanbases/resources? We can not compete financially with the teams immediately around us (with the exception of Saudi Sportswashing Machine) nor with Liverpool, so we have to accept that steady growth is the only way we will ever reach where we want to be. Sacking the best manager we've had for the last 20 years is not the answer.
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The problem we have is this:

In the natural order of things we should be the front runner for finishing 6th (battling the likes of Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Everton, Leeds and Villa).

Right now we are punching above our weight, partly due to the fact that we are a really good team (credit to Levy and Redknapp for building it) and partly down to the fact that a couple of teams with superior resources to us imploded this season (Chelsea & Liverpool, and to a small extent Arsenal too who really should be further ahead of us than a point).

If we qualify for the group stages of the Champions League next season, then people seem to magically think that we can not only compete in that competition but also push on from 4th place and finish higher. That is their deluded criteria. Let me put it this way, if we do make the group stages next season AND finish 4th again then that is a significant improvement for us.

Being able to play in the Champions League whilst maintaining a challenge for top four in the Premiership, with our wage structure and budget, is a fantastic achievement and very much undervalued by many of our own fans it seems.
 
Klinsmania said:
Everyone else is trying to achieve the same thing. What makes you think we have the divine right to be challenging at the top above other clubs with similar fanbases/resources? We can not compete financially with the teams immediately around us (with the exception of Saudi Sportswashing Machine) nor with Liverpool, so we have to accept that steady growth is the only way we will ever reach where we want to be. Sacking the best manager we've had for the last 20 years is not the answer.
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Spurs have history, the fan base, the name and importantly, the potential, and are London-based. Others are not.
We don't have a divine right to be challenging for the title. We should be challenging for it because we should be good enough. 20 years of mostly crud has put us well on the back foot. To catch up now needs electric shock treatment. Not a slow course of injections.
New investment needed. Without that we can never aim for the top.
Steady growth, beeyond a point (which we have gone beyond now IMHO) will not work. You will not catch the elite. They will always outgun you.

and last...

We would not be sacking the best manager we have had for the last 20 years. We already did that, and his name is Martin Jol. IMHO his achievements with the squad he had is better than Redknapps, and Jol had to deal with the opten constraints of a Football Director. I wonder if he went off lasagne for life? I think that if he had been given time, he would have been our SAF. And that is my opinion.
 
mick cooper said:
Has any manager who has come out and railed at officialdom, ever achieved anything, apart from high blood pressure from doing what you asked for?
Personally I think it shows more dignity to not do so, like the saying goes, no-one likes a poor loser.

one mans meat, and all that
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I certainly appreciate that viewpoint Mick, and can see the logic behind it, but I DO feel that it serves to show their own squad they will go to bat for them, plus I personally believe it DOES make refs think twice in those momentary decision moments...I don't think I've seen a side suffer more poor decisions than us this season. Absolutely shocking ones, not the usual "was it wasn't it" pens, etc, but some absolutely belting miscarriages that did not even themselves out in the course of the season in any way. I will also say that obviously, those decisions are 100% NOT Harry's fault, and I wouldn't want it to come across that I am saying they are...I just wish he had spoken up louder about them, and cannot shake the feeling that he didn't because he genuinely thought he would be putting his future employment at risk...
 
thfcsteff said:
I certainly appreciate that viewpoint Mick, and can see the logic behind it, but I DO feel that it serves to show their own squad they will go to bat for them, plus I personally believe it DOES make refs think twice in those momentary decision moments...I don't think I've seen a side suffer more poor decisions than us this season. Absolutely shocking ones, not the usual "was it wasn't it" pens, etc, but some absolutely belting miscarriages that did not even themselves out in the course of the season in any way. I will also say that obviously, those decisions are 100% NOT Harry's fault, and I wouldn't want it to come across that I am saying they are...I just wish he had spoken up louder about them, and cannot shake the feeling that he didn't because he genuinely thought he would be putting his future employment at risk...
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Yep. Putting his own prospects above those of THFC.
 
Sheffield Spur said:
Can we afford to take that risk? Do we allow him to spend big in the summer?

I think there is only one conclusion.
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Levy is spitting feathers at 4th. I think it will take some miracle for Harry to keep his post personally, although this week will be significant, culminating in the weekend obviously. I think Vertonighan (sp) is onboard regardless, I think PERONALLY that if we make CL we might yet see Hazard (more playing time) and there will be a striker (probably Damiao)...but a lot depends on Saturday in this regard as payers like Hazard won't bother if we're not in the CL...what I cannot figure out is who would come in if we get bumped to the Europa...I know who my gamble would be (Martinez) but in fairness, we probably need a bigger name to keep certain players...

Steff
 
Sheffield Spur said:
Ideally Mourhino. Or a world class equivalent. To bust a gut to get. That will cost money, but its a starting point for Spurs to climb back to the elite.

A manager who can attract the best. A winner.

Anything less and we will continue to tread water whilst 'the elite' continue to win all that is worth winning.

The manager is the most important cog in the football club.

If you want to be the best, you have to hire the best.
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You see that's my problem with the Spurs fans who want Redknapp out, they actally think Mourinho is a realistic target, he isn't.

I can see the merit in going for a young manager like Rodgers or Lambert, but it would still be a big risk as neither have managed big clubs.
 
thfcsteff said:
Sadly not a new thing with Harry. Such a shame. He could've absolutely slam-dunked third and the title with just 30% more focus IMHO...he really could have...
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My thoughts exactly mate. Plus making a couple of better signings in January than Saha and Nelsen. Better still, even better back in the last summer window.

Second season running with the grand collapse, remember.
 
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