The 'If You Still Need to Purge Yourself Of Ange' Thread

[parklane1]

Absolutely disgusting way to treat a manager who provided us with these moments.

Now you have done it

 

[JerusalemMan]

Thought he communicated terribly when with us.

As I said in a thread elsewhere a few days ago, he can’t have been communicating effectively with the players if they lost 22 PL games, these losses often involving a goal conceded within the first 10 minutes, shortly after he was apparently delivering his words with ‘maximum effect.’

In press conferences, he was often snippy and unnecessarily aggressive. He spent post-match interviews staring at the floor.

Imo he also gaslit the press and the fans, moving from the position of ‘I would never sacrifice a game’ when we were playing City as Arsenal went for the title, to informing us that he had chucked in the PL this season in January (interestingly, he only chose to communicate that to everyone post the EL win - for me, he was attempting to rewrite history at that point and looking to excuse his own PL failings).

And there were also the unnecessary rows with fans, and the cupping of his ear to the away fans at Chelsea (and then very obviously being caught out when asked about it in the post-match interview, ridiculously saying he was encouraging them to make some noise)…

For me, the myth of him being an excellent communicator is right up there with the myth of Angeball. Both are as real as unicorns.

I think I watched every press conference he conducted as Spurs manager. You're talking absolute codswallop if you genuinely think he's a terrible communicator.

 

[thfcsteff]

Can we have a poll decide whether a poll is the best solution? Whilst we're at it can I have a Conte thread where I can wax lyrical over his remarkable achievements in the game and subsequent meltdowns?

Maybe I'm misreading it because I'm thoroughly hungover but the thread seems a bit tetchy. I blame Ange for having the audacity to win a trophy with us, definitely makes things a bit wierd for those who are usually used to sneering at success.

It is a free site so if you want to create a thread, go ahead mate. If I can create one, anyone can.

 

[Muttley]

I'm sure the definition of a good communicator is different for everyone.

My problem with Ange was that he was a good communicator to the masses including the young players, mostly in their twenties, but fell way short of being convincing to those of us that looked through the bigger picture lens. Those numbers were growing week by week.

Ange was actually very clever with words. He was well rehearsed and knew how to evade the tough questions. In fact, when you looked closely he never actually answered the toughest questions. Like all great politicians do, he just found an adjacent topic and answered a question on that instead. He would preach crazy nonsense like Mr Hindsight and pretend he was straight talking. He was anything but.

At times I felt like shaking the guy and making him answer the questions asked. He could get as spiky as he wanted with me but it wouldn't have made one iota of difference. I would have held him accountable to answer the bloody question. It's Ok being aggressive when you know the other guys aren't allowed to be aggressive back. He knew all those journo's had to toe the line and he used that to his advantage.

On his 2 year journey with Spurs, Ange lost any authentic public persona with so many of us.

 

[Lemonade Money]

I'm sure the definition of a good communicator is different for everyone.

My problem with Ange was that he was a good communicator to the masses including the young players, mostly in their twenties, but fell way short of being convincing to those of us that looked through the bigger picture lens. Those numbers were growing week by week.

Ange was actually very clever with words. He was well rehearsed and knew how to evade the tough questions. In fact, when you looked closely he never actually answered the toughest questions. Like all great politicians do, he just found an adjacent topic and answered a question on that instead. He would preach crazy nonsense like Mr Hindsight and pretend he was straight talking. He was anything but.

At times I felt like shaking the guy and making him answer the questions asked. He could get as spiky as he wanted with me but it wouldn't have made one iota of difference. I would have held him accountable to answer the bloody question. It's Ok being aggressive when you know the other guys aren't allowed to be aggressive back. He knew all those journo's had to toe the line and he used that to his advantage.

On his 2 year journey with Spurs, Ange lost any authentic public persona with so many of us.

Good grief you talk some bollox.

 

[thfcsteff]

I'm sure the definition of a good communicator is different for everyone.

My problem with Ange was that he was a good communicator to the masses including the young players, mostly in their twenties, but fell way short of being convincing to those of us that looked through the bigger picture lens. Those numbers were growing week by week.

Ange was actually very clever with words. He was well rehearsed and knew how to evade the tough questions. In fact, when you looked closely he never actually answered the toughest questions. Like all great politicians do, he just found an adjacent topic and answered a question on that instead. He would preach crazy nonsense like Mr Hindsight and pretend he was straight talking. He was anything but.

At times I felt like shaking the guy and making him answer the questions asked. He could get as spiky as he wanted with me but it wouldn't have made one iota of difference. I would have held him accountable to answer the bloody question. It's Ok being aggressive when you know the other guys aren't allowed to be aggressive back. He knew all those journo's had to toe the line and he used that to his advantage.

On his 2 year journey with Spurs, Ange lost any authentic public persona with so many of us.

What is this 'bigger picture lens' that so few apparently did not avail themselves of?

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

I'm sure the definition of a good communicator is different for everyone.

My problem with Ange was that he was a good communicator to the masses including the young players, mostly in their twenties, but fell way short of being convincing to those of us that looked through the bigger picture lens. Those numbers were growing week by week.

Ange was actually very clever with words. He was well rehearsed and knew how to evade the tough questions. In fact, when you looked closely he never actually answered the toughest questions. Like all great politicians do, he just found an adjacent topic and answered a question on that instead. He would preach crazy nonsense like Mr Hindsight and pretend he was straight talking. He was anything but.

At times I felt like shaking the guy and making him answer the questions asked. He could get as spiky as he wanted with me but it wouldn't have made one iota of difference. I would have held him accountable to answer the bloody question. It's Ok being aggressive when you know the other guys aren't allowed to be aggressive back. He knew all those journo's had to toe the line and he used that to his advantage.

On his 2 year journey with Spurs, Ange lost any authentic public persona with so many of us.

Good grief. It's the press mate. No manager likes doing it, not because it's awkward or tough but because it's boring, repetitive and near enough meaningless to said managers objectives.

 

[Muttley]

Good grief. It's the press mate. No manager likes doing it, not because it's awkward or tough but because it's boring, repetitive and near enough meaningless to said managers objectives.

I should have put that in my post above. I have in pretty much all the others over time. It's not easy being that person that has to face the press. It does go with the job title though. Doesn't change my opinion.

 

[Muttley]

What is this 'bigger picture lens' that so few apparently did not avail themselves of?

As I said above, the bigger picture was whether he was actually answering the true question being asked, especially the tougher ones. So many times he could talk for 2-3 mins and when you referred back there was a mismatch between his chosen narrative and the question asked.

 

[Robspur12]

Good grief you talk some bollox.

Is this where we are at now? Being offensive to anyone who doesn't hold Ange to be a football demi GHod? Is this thread just about attacking anyone who thought there were good reasons to sack Ange and agreed with the club's decision to sack him and doesn't follow the obvious set narrative? So really the thread should be renamed the Ange tribute thread -post if you have nice things to say. This thread should go into general football IMHO. sorry @thfcsteff no offense meant to you.

 

[Lemonade Money]

Is this where we are at now? Being offensive to anyone who doesn't hold Ange to be a football demi GHod? Is this thread just about attacking anyone who thought there were good reasons to sack Ange and agreed with the club's decision to sack him and doesn't follow the obvious set narrative? So really the thread should be renamed the Ange tribute thread -post if you have nice things to say. This thread should go into general football IMHO. sorry @thfcsteff no offense meant to you.

It doesn't surprise me that you are sticking up for someone talking bollox.

 

[tommysvr]

Is this where we are at now? Being offensive to anyone who doesn't hold Ange to be a football demi GHod? Is this thread just about attacking anyone who thought there were good reasons to sack Ange and agreed with the club's decision to sack him and doesn't follow the obvious set narrative? So really the thread should be renamed the Ange tribute thread -post if you have nice things to say. This thread should go into general football IMHO. sorry @thfcsteff no offense meant to you.

There's been countless posts calling Ange all sorts of horrible names, literal threads about hating Aussies......but this is where you speak up??

(happy to be wrong and for you to point out posts where you've called things out)