Controversial poll

[SpurMeUp]

AVB and Rednapp are such opposites. Having hired and fired a few, I know you react to the problems you just had. So Levy went for someone who conducted himself with decorum, didn't mouth off, had more tactical nous, a younger figure promising more modern methods.

The irony is, now we need a Rednapp style coach again to sort our home form, players confidence and their expressiveness. But we don't need Rednapp himself, we couldn't go back! Just someone with experience. A father figure, not necessarily old in years, to bring on the new players and settle the team.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Truth be told, he could've gone a man LESS at the back and really gambled. Villa had absolutely NO attacking intent whatsoever. There were five minutes left. Fortune favors the brave. IMO mate, again, all discussion and nothing more.

Rednapp was consistently odd with his subs. Often not acting until late in the game, when you could see a change was needed. Bringing on players many thought was the wrong option. I never did get that. His tactical awareness of the game unfolding was so much less honed than AVB - who's job it had been previously to scout and analyse games.

 

[thfcsteff]

Just admit you didn't get the sub and now it's been explained to you, you don't want to back down. Sorry for sounding arrogant, but I'm can't believe some of the stuff I've read today. I really think the club is in a much worse state than most realize and I'm in a bad mood. But if you don't get that pushing your most creative player forward is an attacking move, then I don't know what to say. We'd been battering them for most of the match. We needed someone to open the door and push Walker and Gallas high and wide and get Kaboul in the box.

But your argument falls flat on its face anyway, as I've pointed out, we needed to win to secure 4th place. Also is there any evidence Harry's bonus was related to 4th and not CL qualification. I doubt there is and that this is just another total myth.

I know it wasn't aimed at me but don't apologize for sounding arrogant, you're entitled to your view of the situation. It was one way of playing it. But IMO, and the views of many others, it was the wrong way to play it.

I can guarantee you that SAF would NOT have made that move. In fact, I believe that most who were trying to get the second goal against a team playing in one-half with 5 minutes to go would've gambled and put the extra striker on. Let's face facts, if Jermain Defoe gets a loose ball bobbling around, he's got a better chance of hitting the net that Luka. There again, why not simply leave two defenders back with Sandro covering? Look, you're taking off Van Der Vaart, an attacking player. You have an attacking player on the bench. You have five minutes left, and you decide to get 'tactical' and 'free-up' a midfielder who though brilliant is not a goalscorer and who had not had much success picking the lock? Don't be mistaken. No-one who disagrees that I know of is ignorant, they just feel it was the wrong decision.

Turns out it was.

Like a few others that season i.e. striding into the effeminates playing a 4-4-2 because you beat an under strength Newcash at home the previous week 5-0.

Anyway, hopefully this is all just venting some stale air and we can all get behind whoever the hell gets to sip from our poisoned chalice next!

 

[thfcsteff]

AVB and Rednapp are such opposites. Having hired and fired a few, I know you react to the problems you just had. So Levy went for someone who conducted himself with decorum, didn't mouth off, had more tactical nous, a younger figure promising more modern methods.

The irony is, now we need a Rednapp style coach again to sort our home form, players confidence and their expressiveness. But we don't need Rednapp himself, we couldn't go back! Just someone with experience. A father figure, not necessarily old in years, to bring on the new players and settle the team.

Agreed.

It's a shame for AVB that he seemed to go aspergers again as the pressure mounted. He needed a bedside manner. He patently still doesn't have one when the pressure is on. I feel sorry for him on many many levels, but he also did not help himself near the end.

 

[scaramanga]

so , in your opinion, the aim was 3rd is what you are saying. correct?

or was is 4th and chelsea dont win the CL...that would have been mission statemnet accomplished?

The aim was CL qualification - why would the club just be aiming at an arbitrary number that gains us nothing? Levy has said on a number of occasions that the target is regular CL qualification.

 

[DHSF]

I think it was wrong to get rid of Harry then again im one of those that looks simply at the job he is employed to do i.e. manage the team. Levy manages the club. Harry made mistakes and so has and still does - Levy.

Harry had a good team, people say that this squad is the best we have had yet AVB couldnt make it work. I think Harry could and thats simply because Harry is a great motivator and believe it or not, players are talented all they need is some motivation out on the pitch and for them to play their own game - Harry instilled that. You could tell that players played with a smile and enjoyed their football. You can tell because it how it came about on the pitch.

Anyways, id take him back but it wont happen. Now we have Sherwood in the interim and no doubt if he performs well, we will have him as permanent Manager.

 

[milo]

Harry had a good team, people say that this squad is the best we have had yet AVB couldnt make it work. I think Harry could and thats simply because Harry is a great motivator and believe it or not, players are talented all they need is some motivation out on the pitch and for them to play their own game - Harry instilled that. You could tell that players played with a smile and enjoyed their football. You can tell because it how it came about on the pitch.

I think that motivation alone can only get you so far and it can only work so long with the same set of players before you start getting diminishing returns.

 

[africanspurs]

The aim was CL qualification - why would the club just be aiming at an arbitrary number that gains us nothing? Levy has said on a number of occasions that the target is regular CL qualification.

so if chelsea hadnt won the champions league he would have reached his goal with 4th then

 

[DHSF]

I think that motivation alone can only get you so far and it can only work so long with the same set of players before you start getting diminishing returns.

I would agree with that but dont think it was a case of diminishing returns with Redknapp. We did finish fourth - not like we finished mid table. I think we all do Harry a disservice when it comes to his tactical knowledge. He may not be the best but as we have seen tacticians can be extremely counter productive.

 

[milo]

I would agree with that but dont think it was a case of diminishing returns with Redknapp. We did finish fourth - not like we finished mid table. I think we all do Harry a disservice when it comes to his tactical knowledge. He may not be the best but as we have seen tacticians can be extremely counter productive.

I think that Harry did a good job for us on balance but his approach certainly didn't work towards the end of his last season.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt at the time and supported him through until very near the end but I think that what he revealed in his autobiography shows that a lot of the rumours at the time were correct and his mind was not on the job.

 

[kinkygerbil]

For me, the HR sacking will go down as a missed opportunity. A dropped chance for Spurs to achieve CL consistently and challenge for the title. We will never know. But what we do know is that we've slipped backwards now.

I know it wasn't aimed at me but don't apologize for sounding arrogant, you're entitled to your view of the situation. It was one way of playing it. But IMO, and the views of many others, it was the wrong way to play it.

I can guarantee you that SAF would NOT have made that move. In fact, I believe that most who were trying to get the second goal against a team playing in one-half with 5 minutes to go would've gambled and put the extra striker on. Let's face facts, if Jermain Defoe gets a loose ball bobbling around, he's got a better chance of hitting the net that Luka. There again, why not simply leave two defenders back with Sandro covering? Look, you're taking off Van Der Vaart, an attacking player. You have an attacking player on the bench. You have five minutes left, and you decide to get 'tactical' and 'free-up' a midfielder who though brilliant is not a goalscorer and who had not had much success picking the lock? Don't be mistaken. No-one who disagrees that I know of is ignorant, they just feel it was the wrong decision.

Turns out it was.

Like a few others that season i.e. striding into the effeminates playing a 4-4-2 because you beat an under strength Newcash at home the previous week 5-0.

Anyway, hopefully this is all just venting some stale air and we can all get behind whoever the hell gets to sip from our poisoned chalice next!

Worst thing about that was that it wouldn't have actually mattered if we lost as it would have meant the same scenario on the last day, the win however....

Redknapp is not much better than the likes of berba in my eyes, betrayal.

 

[kinkygerbil]

so if chelsea hadnt won the champions league he would have reached his goal with 4th then

My issue is that we should never of had been in the position to need Chelsea.

 

[africanspurs]

My issue is that we should never of had been in the position to need Chelsea.

yes i get that, we missed out on the best season ever cause redknapp was courting another job.

having said that, at the end of the day he put us in a position that for 99% of the time would have been enough to allow entry into the CL.

not to mention that he alone is the only manager to get us cL...and bossed it until crouch dropped a clanger.

the spell where our team had poor form and poor confidence directly correlated with harry trying everything aside from point guns to get the England Job. sure...but WE ALL KNEW that he wanted that job years before it presented itself........., the period in that season that we faltered lasted all of 2 and half months...that's it...two and half months of mixed results.....and last but not least...we actually made 4th which is the bench mark for CL

sure we shouldnt have had to need chelsea but sometimes these things happen..they just do.

 

[kinkygerbil]

yes i get that, we missed out on the best season ever cause redknapp was courting another job.

having said that, at the end of the day he put us in a position that for 99% of the time would have been enough to allow entry into the CL.

not to mention that he alone is the only manager to get us cL...and bossed it until crouch dropped a clanger.

the spell where our team had poor form and poor confidence directly correlated with harry trying everything aside from point guns to get the England Job. sure...but WE ALL KNEW that he wanted that job years before it presented itself........., the period in that season that we faltered lasted all of 2 and half months...that's it...two and half months of mixed results.....and last but not least...we actually made 4th which is the bench mark for CL

sure we shouldnt have had to need chelsea but sometimes these things happen..they just do.

But they always seem to happen to us, and they are always avoidable, that's the annoying thing.

I sometimes think Harry doesn't actually want to be a football manager, during the time he was pimping his book qpr went through a terrible patch of form.

 

[scaramanga]

He bought Parker on to cover as last man, so the rest could push forward. The fact some fans still, to this day, don't understand that is truly shocking and a reason why fans shouldn't even bother talking about tactics. It was such a basic and easy to see tactical move, yet some fans just couldn't see past the fact Parker was a DM. It didn't even cross their mind how this move might effect our attack.

Also we hadn't even secured 4th at the point. If we'd won we'd have been in 4th for sure. So bang goes your theory.

Parker spent the rest of the match doing his little pirouette thing by the corner flag in our own half.

 

[africanspurs]

But they always seem to happen to us, and they are always avoidable, that's the annoying thing.

I sometimes think Harry doesn't actually want to be a football manager, during the time he was pimping his book qpr went through a terrible patch of form.

i think harry redknapp is an extremely shady character...doesnt mean he actually is...just that he comes across that way to me

its hear say to suggest that had he not wanted the england job then everything would be alright.......but it is factual of the level of correlation between our dip in form and subsequent rise back to it in the last 4 games to harry begging for the england job and then not getting it

the thing is that depending on your motivation...you are either happy he didnt get the england job so that he can carry on managing your club, like i was, or you can be ****ed ...... which means you never wanted him to succeed at your club in the first place

we ****ed up that year...and yes it could have been very avoidable...but it was not enough for me to be happy we would lose him.

good football, sexy and attacking football
strong defense (setting records all over the place)
the neutrals choice
competitive in every match

all points that would make me want my manager to stay

 

[Sheffield Spur]

Just admit you didn't get the sub and now it's been explained to you, you don't want to back down. Sorry for sounding arrogant, but I'm can't believe some of the stuff I've read today. I really think the club is in a much worse state than most realize and I'm in a bad mood. But if you don't get that pushing your most creative player forward is an attacking move, then I don't know what to say. We'd been battering them for most of the match. We needed someone to open the door and push Walker and Gallas high and wide and get Kaboul in the box.

But your argument falls flat on its face anyway, as I've pointed out, we needed to win to secure 4th place. Also is there any evidence Harry's bonus was related to 4th and not CL qualification. I doubt there is and that this is just another total myth.

We needed to win both the last two games to clinch 3rd, the second to last being away at Villa. Home against Fulham was the last. Both eminently winnable. One point against Villa clinched 4th, but we needed to win. So how replacing VdV with an out and out DM can be construed - in that situation - as anything other than a defensive move is nonsense IMHO. Redknapp should have gambled and put on Defoe and gone for it for the win. All out. Skill. Pace. Villa were **** poor. This was massively debated at the time and this was the collective conclusion, including mine. Redknapp went for safety.

See the following.

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/match/index.html?event=3;season=2011/12;team=361

I'm ****ed off too mate, at the latest debacle in the saga of the not so good ship HMS Tottenham. I'm ****ed off with the last 20 years of shocking appointments by 2 separate Boards. I'm ****ed off that Spurs have not been a far greater force in football, both here and abroad, and revered. I am very ****ed off that we have not won the league title more often (a club of this ones stature should have done) and, like you, I am deeply worried that the club is in a bigger shambles than we know.

 

[scaramanga]

well in the last 3 hours i think scara has said something along the lines that

harry played for 4th so that he would get his bonus rather than go for 3rd and a CL place
and that Ade was faking injury and going all over the world at the expense of his club

do any of these count as idle gossip being put forward in the form of facts? or will there me some kind of technicality that allows room to manouver ...cause if there is tell me , i would love to incorporate that into my style

just to say , i personally dont mind what scara says. just that what you said i personally think is incorrect

That was from an interview with Redknapp at the start of the season (from memory though).

I remember distinctly Redknapp saying something like "We're aiming for 4th, that's what the chairman's set as our target and that's what I have to get"

I'm paraphrasing, but that was pretty much what he said. The reason I remember it is that it seemed strange at the time that 'Arry was saying 4th when Levy is always referring to CL qualification.

 

[milo]

i think harry redknapp is an extremely shady character...doesnt mean he actually is...just that he comes across that way to me

its hear say to suggest that had he not wanted the england job then everything would be alright.......but it is factual of the level of correlation between our dip in form and subsequent rise back to it in the last 4 games to harry begging for the england job and then not getting it

the thing is that depending on your motivation...you are either happy he didnt get the england job so that he can carry on managing your club, like i was, or you can be ****ed ...... which means you never wanted him to succeed at your club in the first place

we ****ed up that year...and yes it could have been very avoidable...but it was not enough for me to be happy we would lose him.

good football, sexy and attacking football
strong defense (setting records all over the place)
the neutrals choice
competitive in every match

all points that would make me want my manager to stay

There are more than two opinions that you can have on Redknapp after that season. There are plenty of posters who started the season fully behind him but thought that it was right for him to go (for a variety of reasons) by the end of the season.

 

[DHSF]

That was from an interview with Redknapp at the start of the season (from memory though).

I remember distinctly Redknapp saying something like "We're aiming for 4th, that's what the chairman's set as our target and that's what I have to get"

I'm paraphrasing, but that was pretty much what he said. The reason I remember it is that it seemed strange at the time that 'Arry was saying 4th when Levy is always referring to CL qualification.

But 4th was qualification - no? Fine what happened after that beggars belief but generally fourth would have been qualification albeit via a qualification round.