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scaramanga said:
The others can't win a vote of no confidence all the time Corbyn is there. Too many moderates will not side with him.

The correct answer is for Johnson to either refuse to take the bill to HM or to recommend no assent. The parliamentary remedy for which is a vote of no confidence which will lead to an election.
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Maybe he'll get a 3 month extension, lose the vote of no confidence and set the election for 1 February. He gets to set the date doesn't he or is that only if the FTPA is used?
 
Trixster said:
Because there is no need to do so until this farce started, just the same as why I have not yet applied for Czech citizenship - although in fact I need to wait to see what the idiots decide and then I can plan out how I need to proceed.

Just one boon of being in the EU, no need to jump through hoops etc to live and work in another EU country..
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But her anger is greater than the reality, you aint getting chucked out, just do the paperwork which entitles you to stay, simple. And it is simple after 20 years, married to a brit and already on the UK tax system.

All this anger and tears is just showy
 
P.D. said:
Maybe he'll get a 3 month extension, lose the vote of no confidence and set the election for 1 February. He gets to set the date doesn't he or is that only if the FTPA is used?
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He gets to set the date either way, but if our EU membership goes to Nov 1st or later he's electorally screwed.
 
Grays_1890 said:
But her anger is greater than the reality, you aint getting chucked out, just do the paperwork which entitles you to stay, simple. And it is simple after 20 years, married to a brit and already on the UK tax system.

All this anger and tears is just showy
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That woman's story earlier in the thread (born in Italy, 50+ years living here from when a baby, married to a Brit, lifelong UK tax payer, citizenship denied) would suggest it's not just a case of filing in the paperwork. Never underestimate the ineptitude of the civil service.
 
I wonder if Johnson might get around it by writing 2 letters

One saying what Benn said he had to. And one dated 5 minutes after withdrawing it. Complies with the law and saves the country
 
Not mine, but an accurate depiction:

Hey MPs, can we Leave with this deal?
"No"
Are there any other deals we can Leave with?
"No"
OK, can we leave without a deal then?
"No"
Can we at least have an election then?
"No"
You're not trying to stop Brexit by any chance are you?

"Shut up fascist - stop the coup!"
 
SpurMeUp said:
I'm still interested in this:

  • The UK tax payer - most of us I guess - are paying taxes towards government debt interest payments of £40b per year. That is not paying off the debt, just interest. Is this correct?
  • Obviously the UKs net contribution to the EU is under 9b. Was 8.6b in 2016.
  • The Brexit vote was clearly associated with drops in growth in the economy and investment. Which directly translates into less revenue for the government. Had there been no Brexit we would have had less debt now.
Meanwhile Brexit is doing damage to our economy. Slowly but surely the negative effects are happening: City has been in recession since 2017, Office for National Statistics says
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...office-for-national-statistics-says-f7l5x0zbf

The figures above illustrate the false economy of Brexit. Paying out 8.6b is well worth it. What we lose economically out of the EU would be massively more. Do those that back Brexit, back a poorer UK with less money for services? That is the harsh reality when all this brick settles.
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@scaramanga I recall you were confident the city of London wouldn’t be effected by Brexit. You’d spoken to people itk and all was going to be fine. Looking at the link above, your financial itks seem no better than our Spurs transfer itks!


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SpurMeUp said:
@scaramanga I recall you were confident the city of London wouldn’t be effected by Brexit. You’d spoken to people itk and all was going to be fine. Looking at the link above, your financial itks seem no better than our Spurs transfer itks!


Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app
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I said nothing of the sort.

Everyone I spoke to was adamant they wouldn't be leaving London. There's too much set up to work around the financial services industry that can't just appear overnight in Paris or Berlin. It's taken centuries to build up here and is why most companies will open a small EU office and use it as a conduit for transactions.

Even on a personal level - most people I know have their kids in really good schools over here. They're not about to move them and neither are they about to up sticks and move away from their families.

Uncertainty is the killer of confidence and uncertainty has been killing a number of our markets for years now.
 
Grays_1890 said:
But her anger is greater than the reality, you aint getting chucked out, just do the paperwork which entitles you to stay, simple. And it is simple after 20 years, married to a brit and already on the UK tax system.

All this anger and tears is just showy
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You can't really say that though in fairness, stress over what is and isn't going to happen affects people differently. As has been mentioned in a reply to you already, there are cases (admittedly isolated it seems atm) where people have been in the UK for 20+ years and still been refused settled status. When this is seen in the media then it should raise doubts in peoples minds, only natural imo.

I'm in the same boat until all this crap is sorted out, my wife is non-EU and through me has the family member of an EU citizen rights to stay here. When I become non-EU as well then we're not rightly sure yet what will happen to her because the ministry hasn't made up its mind fully. There is a chance, albeit a slim one but a chance nevertheless, that she might need to leave the country for 2-3 months and then be invited back by myself to live here - so that if it happens fOOks up her work etc quite royally.

Also, I have permanent residence here which now that I have it should just keep rolling over and be enough for me to stay here without some of the hassles of paperwork etc that non-EU people have, but there is no guarantee of this currently.

I just drink to keep my mind off it all )
 
He can’t donate substantial funds, he doesn’t have any money and his company is only worth a few million right...
 
Gutter Boy said:
I wonder if Johnson might get around it by writing 2 letters

One saying what Benn said he had to. And one dated 5 minutes after withdrawing it. Complies with the law and saves the country
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Why not just ask for a week's delay. If they give it fine if they don't he can say in a court of law he tried.
 
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