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Silly McSilly Face said:
I am not describing a "technical term" only. Everyone, from the government, opposition, press, and most importantly the general public refer to these people arriving by boats and lorries as illegal immigrants. You lot on here are the exception, not I. I am explaining the technical terminology because one of you lot asked the question as to why everyone refers to them as illegal immigrants.
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Many are referred to by the general public as asylum seekers. You're spouting rhetoric.



https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/s...bout-asylum/#:~:text=There is no such thing,4.
 
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kb 1984 said:
Jesus Christ just what is needed politicians encouraging mobs to roam the streets. What happens when they attack and kill some innocent more than likely brown man going about his business. Seriously what is wrong with these people
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I know its boring but I keep referring bac to when the mob travelled up to Southport and the guy had to lock himself in his shop because they wanted to bash his head in because of his skin colour, all despite the claims of "we don't care if they are here and hard working" rubbish.

Its just racism at this point, straight up, torch bearing lynch mob racism
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
There is a place for flippancy when people are jumping on someone just trying to help with understanding and getting riled up. Its not laughing at the subject, its poking fun at the debate.....as I said, the legal guidance in respect of ruling out asylum applications pretty much applues to every douchebag arriving on a boat. Does that say every person arriving on a boat is a douchebag or does it say every douchebag arriving on a boat is a criminal? I think what's happened here is that some people haven't liked my explanation of the facts and have instead gone down the route of analysing language and words and finding stuff that offends them.
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Tbf I was having a different conversation with you. But hey ho.

The conversation you were having with Glenda about labelling looks like semantics to me after reading. I think they are illegal immigrants the moment they touch land in the UK. But at what point they open their mouth and say 'i want to claim asylum' is anyone's guess, could be 30 mins later in the border office. At that point they are an asylum seeker. Nothing's changed in their head, they're not thinking 'oh my status has changed' and I'm not thinking anything different about them either.

If they've done something illegal and committed a crime, but they are not handcuffed by the police,kept in a cell, calling a solicitor, and the CPS compiling a case against them. So doesn't feel traditionally illegal?

They are all treated in the same way no matter what one labels them. I'm sure it's not bothering them given their situation.

I'm not getting 'emotional' over your contribution to the debate. Don't be silly, Silly.
But calling them 'douchebags' just shows the contempt with which you hold them. Plain and simple.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Its not incorrect. The refugee convention is an international treaty, and constitutionally, international treaties do not have legal effect in the UK without an act of parliament and therefore parliament is the root of interpretation and application of treaty provisions within the UK. The UK's immigration legislation, passed by parliament makes it a criminal offence to enter the uk without leave and remain in the uk without leave.
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It's an incorrect understanding of how the application of law works - laws are not absolutes.
On the particular topic of asylum, there is a defence written into statute!

Is it unlawful to enter the UK without a visa - yes.
Is it lawful to enter the UK to seek asylum - yes.
Two positions that clearly cannot coexist if looking at law in binary way, which is what you did. The application of law isn't binary - we wouldn't need Judges if it were.

Giving legal right to seek asylum creates a position where if entering the country without a visa, but seeking asylum, a judge would be highly unlikely to find in favour of - especially as there is a Statutory Defence again such a charge, which is an absolute if the criteria for said defence are met.
 
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