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Goran Bunjevcevic
Does anyone else think it's quite strange how often he liked to touch people's faces?
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Does anyone else think it's quite strange how often he liked to touch people's faces?
Leeds Spur
Banned
Rodgers is way way way over his head. The apologists for him in the press just clarifies the disgraceful way AVB has been treated.
Leeds Spur
Banned
Halsey got every decision right IMO. The ****s on twitter should be jailed.
Hotdoggspur
Calum Davenport
One million per cent , would you in hindsight right now if Aladdin popped up swap AVB for Rodgers or moyes
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Re: O/T Mark Halsey
Guardian football podcast saying the same thing (about him getting the decisions right).
Might have to rethink my view that the penalty was soft.
Guardian football podcast saying the same thing (about him getting the decisions right).
Might have to rethink my view that the penalty was soft.
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Re: O/T Mark Halsey
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19707057
'Effectively there are four types of challenge - firstly a correct tackle, where the player fairly wins the ball and there is no impact on their opponent, the vast majority of challenges.
A small element are careless - the player makes a legitimate attempt but either in their timing or the skill of the opponent, they foul the other player and a free kick is given.
If the tackle is reckless in nature, the player is booked, a yellow card is given.
If a player endangers the safety of their opponent, it's a red card, a sending-off.'
So basically it's down to ref's.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19707057
'Effectively there are four types of challenge - firstly a correct tackle, where the player fairly wins the ball and there is no impact on their opponent, the vast majority of challenges.
A small element are careless - the player makes a legitimate attempt but either in their timing or the skill of the opponent, they foul the other player and a free kick is given.
If the tackle is reckless in nature, the player is booked, a yellow card is given.
If a player endangers the safety of their opponent, it's a red card, a sending-off.'
So basically it's down to ref's.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
=D>=D>
That's like asking if you'd rather like a brand new Audi than getting your teeth knocked out.
Jurgen the German
Tommy Harmer
Bit OTT! Everton look very, very good so far.
Leeds Spur
Banned
Moyes has done an outstanding job.
I don't think anyone can disagree with that, and with a limited budget over the years as well.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
He has, and like Wenger, he knows his club inside and out as well as controls it (largely) but what would he do if he had some real money and expectation to deal with? Always thought he was a dark horse for Man U...
Luis Suárez is the victim of a referee witch-hunt over unfair reputation for diving, say Liverpool team-mates
Glen Johnson claims that Liverpool forward Luis Suárez is being unfairly targeted by officials because of his reputation as a diver.
ohnson is convinced that Suárez’s past misdemeanours are counting against him after the Uruguay international was at the centre of a controversial penalty claim for the second successive weekend.
Suárez was booked for an alleged dive in the area at Sunderland 10 days ago and appeared to be fouled by Manchester United defender Jonny Evans in the second half of the 2-1 defeat on Sunday.
But Suárez’s appeals for a penalty were waved away by referee Mark Halsey and Liverpool’s frustration only increased when the visitors were awarded a contentious spot kick late in the game, after Johnson’s foul on Antonio Valencia.
Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers had conceded earlier this month that Suárez must be “careful” with his discipline, after picking up three bookings already this season, but Johnson suspects officials are being influenced by Suárez’s reputation.
He said: “Everybody has to do their job and they have to forget who they are looking at. They just have to make the decisions. They can’t let anything from the past affect their decisions. They have to call the shots at the time, regardless of who it is.
“I almost guarantee that if you flipped the situation, if Luis was in the position of Valencia, he wouldn’t get a penalty. We all know that.
“Reputations go in front of people at times and because Valencia is not someone who is known as a diver, he gets the decision.
“We expect the referees to make the right decisions.”
Suárez has not won a penalty for Liverpool since the 2-1 defeat by Arsenal in March, which Dirk Kuyt subsequently missed, and his *reputation for play-acting has been highlighted by a string of frustrated Premier League managers since his arrival from Ajax in January 2011.
After the game against Arsenal, Arsène Wenger accused him of going “overboard” while Roberto Martínez also claimed the 25 year-old was an “artist at getting free-kicks” following Wigan’s victory at Anfield.
In April, Suárez was booked by referee Michael Oliver for diving against Aston Villa, in a game where he also had two penalty appeals turned down.
Kenny Dalglish, the former Liverpool manager, frequently defended his £22.7 million signing against accusations of cheating and controversially stuck by him during the racism row with United defender Patrice Evra.
But Liverpool are becoming concerned that Suárez’s behaviour last season is being used against him by referees, and captain Steven Gerrard is adamant that he is becoming the victim of a witch-hunt.
He said: “I think even when Luis gets blatant penalties now he is never going to get them. Referees have got to make their decisions based on what they see. If it is not a penalty, they don’t give him one. But if it is clear, give him it. It’s only fair.”
Rodgers is facing the prospect of being without defender Martin Kelly for the rest of the season because of knee ligament damage he suffered in the defeat by United.
The Liverpool manager expects to lose Kelly for a minimum of six months after scans revealed that the England international ruptured his anterior cruciate ligament. Kelly, who hobbled off late in the game after falling awkwardly and appearing to twist his right leg, will now undergo reconstructive surgery.
Kelly’s injury will also come as a blow to England head coach Roy Hodgson, who gave the 22 year-old his first cap in the friendly against Norway in May.
There was some encouraging news for Liverpool, however, with Daniel Agger and Fabio Borini expected to miss only the next few weeks with knee and ankle injuries respectively.
It was suspected that Denmark international Agger had suffered medial ligament damage after he was taken off on a stretcher late in the second half on Sunday, but the injury is not that serious and he could return for the league game against Stoke City a week on Sunday if his recovery goes to plan.
Rodgers’ £12 million signing Borini is also expected to miss only a fortnight with an ankle injury.
Liverpool confirmed last night they would not be appealing against Jonjo Shelvey’s red card against United. Shelvey will miss the next three games, including Wednesday night’s Capital One Cup game at West Bromwich Albion.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9563720/Luis-Suarez-is-the-victim-of-a-referee-witch-hunt-over-unfair-reputation-for-diving-say-Liverpool-team-mates.html
Glen Johnson claims that Liverpool forward Luis Suárez is being unfairly targeted by officials because of his reputation as a diver.
ohnson is convinced that Suárez’s past misdemeanours are counting against him after the Uruguay international was at the centre of a controversial penalty claim for the second successive weekend.
Suárez was booked for an alleged dive in the area at Sunderland 10 days ago and appeared to be fouled by Manchester United defender Jonny Evans in the second half of the 2-1 defeat on Sunday.
But Suárez’s appeals for a penalty were waved away by referee Mark Halsey and Liverpool’s frustration only increased when the visitors were awarded a contentious spot kick late in the game, after Johnson’s foul on Antonio Valencia.
Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers had conceded earlier this month that Suárez must be “careful” with his discipline, after picking up three bookings already this season, but Johnson suspects officials are being influenced by Suárez’s reputation.
He said: “Everybody has to do their job and they have to forget who they are looking at. They just have to make the decisions. They can’t let anything from the past affect their decisions. They have to call the shots at the time, regardless of who it is.
“I almost guarantee that if you flipped the situation, if Luis was in the position of Valencia, he wouldn’t get a penalty. We all know that.
“Reputations go in front of people at times and because Valencia is not someone who is known as a diver, he gets the decision.
“We expect the referees to make the right decisions.”
Suárez has not won a penalty for Liverpool since the 2-1 defeat by Arsenal in March, which Dirk Kuyt subsequently missed, and his *reputation for play-acting has been highlighted by a string of frustrated Premier League managers since his arrival from Ajax in January 2011.
After the game against Arsenal, Arsène Wenger accused him of going “overboard” while Roberto Martínez also claimed the 25 year-old was an “artist at getting free-kicks” following Wigan’s victory at Anfield.
In April, Suárez was booked by referee Michael Oliver for diving against Aston Villa, in a game where he also had two penalty appeals turned down.
Kenny Dalglish, the former Liverpool manager, frequently defended his £22.7 million signing against accusations of cheating and controversially stuck by him during the racism row with United defender Patrice Evra.
But Liverpool are becoming concerned that Suárez’s behaviour last season is being used against him by referees, and captain Steven Gerrard is adamant that he is becoming the victim of a witch-hunt.
He said: “I think even when Luis gets blatant penalties now he is never going to get them. Referees have got to make their decisions based on what they see. If it is not a penalty, they don’t give him one. But if it is clear, give him it. It’s only fair.”
Rodgers is facing the prospect of being without defender Martin Kelly for the rest of the season because of knee ligament damage he suffered in the defeat by United.
The Liverpool manager expects to lose Kelly for a minimum of six months after scans revealed that the England international ruptured his anterior cruciate ligament. Kelly, who hobbled off late in the game after falling awkwardly and appearing to twist his right leg, will now undergo reconstructive surgery.
Kelly’s injury will also come as a blow to England head coach Roy Hodgson, who gave the 22 year-old his first cap in the friendly against Norway in May.
There was some encouraging news for Liverpool, however, with Daniel Agger and Fabio Borini expected to miss only the next few weeks with knee and ankle injuries respectively.
It was suspected that Denmark international Agger had suffered medial ligament damage after he was taken off on a stretcher late in the second half on Sunday, but the injury is not that serious and he could return for the league game against Stoke City a week on Sunday if his recovery goes to plan.
Rodgers’ £12 million signing Borini is also expected to miss only a fortnight with an ankle injury.
Liverpool confirmed last night they would not be appealing against Jonjo Shelvey’s red card against United. Shelvey will miss the next three games, including Wednesday night’s Capital One Cup game at West Bromwich Albion.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9563720/Luis-Suarez-is-the-victim-of-a-referee-witch-hunt-over-unfair-reputation-for-diving-say-Liverpool-team-mates.html
Steed Train
Clive Wilson
Luis Suárez is the victim of a referee witch-hunt over unfair reputation for diving, say Liverpool team-mates
Glen Johnson claims that Liverpool forward Luis Suárez is being unfairly targeted by officials because of his reputation as a diver.
ohnson is convinced that Suárez’s past misdemeanours are counting against him after the Uruguay international was at the centre of a controversial penalty claim for the second successive weekend.
Suárez was booked for an alleged dive in the area at Sunderland 10 days ago and appeared to be fouled by Manchester United defender Jonny Evans in the second half of the 2-1 defeat on Sunday.
But Suárez’s appeals for a penalty were waved away by referee Mark Halsey and Liverpool’s frustration only increased when the visitors were awarded a contentious spot kick late in the game, after Johnson’s foul on Antonio Valencia.
Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers had conceded earlier this month that Suárez must be “careful” with his discipline, after picking up three bookings already this season, but Johnson suspects officials are being influenced by Suárez’s reputation.
He said: “Everybody has to do their job and they have to forget who they are looking at. They just have to make the decisions. They can’t let anything from the past affect their decisions. They have to call the shots at the time, regardless of who it is.
“I almost guarantee that if you flipped the situation, if Luis was in the position of Valencia, he wouldn’t get a penalty. We all know that.
“Reputations go in front of people at times and because Valencia is not someone who is known as a diver, he gets the decision.
“We expect the referees to make the right decisions.”
Suárez has not won a penalty for Liverpool since the 2-1 defeat by Arsenal in March, which Dirk Kuyt subsequently missed, and his *reputation for play-acting has been highlighted by a string of frustrated Premier League managers since his arrival from Ajax in January 2011.
After the game against Arsenal, Arsène Wenger accused him of going “overboard” while Roberto Martínez also claimed the 25 year-old was an “artist at getting free-kicks” following Wigan’s victory at Anfield.
In April, Suárez was booked by referee Michael Oliver for diving against Aston Villa, in a game where he also had two penalty appeals turned down.
Kenny Dalglish, the former Liverpool manager, frequently defended his £22.7  million signing against accusations of cheating and controversially stuck by him during the racism row with United defender Patrice Evra.
But Liverpool are becoming concerned that Suárez’s behaviour last season is being used against him by referees, and captain Steven Gerrard is adamant that he is becoming the victim of a witch-hunt.
He said: “I think even when Luis gets blatant penalties now he is never going to get them. Referees have got to make their decisions based on what they see. If it is not a penalty, they don’t give him one. But if it is clear, give him it. It’s only fair.”
Rodgers is facing the prospect of being without defender Martin Kelly for the rest of the season because of knee ligament damage he suffered in the defeat by United.
The Liverpool manager expects to lose Kelly for a minimum of six months after scans revealed that the England international ruptured his anterior cruciate ligament. Kelly, who hobbled off late in the game after falling awkwardly and appearing to twist his right leg, will now undergo reconstructive surgery.
Kelly’s injury will also come as a blow to England head coach Roy Hodgson, who gave the 22 year-old his first cap in the friendly against Norway in May.
There was some encouraging news for Liverpool, however, with Daniel Agger and Fabio Borini expected to miss only the next few weeks with knee and ankle injuries respectively.
It was suspected that Denmark international Agger had suffered medial ligament damage after he was taken off on a stretcher late in the second half on Sunday, but the injury is not that serious and he could return for the league game against Stoke City a week on Sunday if his recovery goes to plan.
Rodgers’ £12 million signing Borini is also expected to miss only a fortnight with an ankle injury.
Liverpool confirmed last night they would not be appealing against Jonjo Shelvey’s red card against United. Shelvey will miss the next three games, including Wednesday night’s Capital One Cup game at West Bromwich Albion.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9563720/Luis-Suarez-is-the-victim-of-a-referee-witch-hunt-over-unfair-reputation-for-diving-say-Liverpool-team-mates.html
Absolute tacos "The ref completely mugged us off, never a red card". "So you'll appeal it then?" ".......no"
Baleforce
Ron Henry
if he stopped throwing himself to the ground he might get more luck, the one on Sunday is a great example, replays showed it should have been a pen, but his theatrical body movements made it look like a dive, no wonder refs get distracted and miss the true contact
he also needs to stop appealing for absolutely every decision to go his way, the boy that cried wolf and all that
he also needs to stop appealing for absolutely every decision to go his way, the boy that cried wolf and all that
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Said that to a friend of mine last season around the Evra incident. He just needs to get his head down, work hard, play football and try to at least act like a nice guy.
It seems pretty clear that all the songs, booing and his reputation are distracting him from his football. Several times this season you could see the frustration on his face and it makes him a worse footballer.
I think Liverpool need to shoulder some of the blame, the way they dealt with everything going completely into a defensive stand and defending him to the hilt about everything doesn't make it any easier for him to see what he's done wrong. Having 40k people still chant your name, your manager and team mates supporting you all the way just reinforces his feeling that he's the innocent victim in all this and he hasn't changed a bit.
Of course my friend didn't much like what I said as he was a Liverpool fan...