Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

glorygloryeze · 27 Apr 2014

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Harry_Perkins said:
I can remember very few managers not deflecting defeats in one way or another. How many managers get sacked and then hold their hold their hands up and say 'I deserved it'? There are always reasons why. AVB was no different on that front either. And he was also more than happy to take credit when it went well. There is really nothing unique here.

Really?? When did AVB take total credit for when we won and blame others for when we lost? Remember the spat with Neil Ashton??

I'd like anybody to find me anything from AVB that came close to the constant 'not-me-guv' spiel we hear from TS.

Nowhere near comparable imo

superfaisty · 27 Apr 2014

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Fair play Tim deserves credit for the number of points hes won since taking over. And if we just judged him on that stat alone sure he probably deserves a shot next season in the epl. But anyone who thinks anyone in this league other than spurs would hire him to manage them after his overall performances this season is a fool in my opinion.

So lets scratch the surface:
1) ades return is probably the single biggest influence on our goal return and points gained since Ts took over. Yes he does deserve credit for bringing him back from the cold but lets be honest, since ades come back hes been brilliant because hes been motivated but also because hes s high quality player. But hes singularly failed to improve bobby's scoring record so Ts is no genius in that regard. If he was in charge of sunderland or cardiff or west brom would he have gained as many points without Ades influence - i doubt it. In fact had ade got injured or out for any lenght of time Ts would have struggled.

2) eriksen had been bloody brilliant in fits and spurts but hes been more influential in the second half of the year having had the benefit of getting used to the league. Does ts get the credit for Eriksen settling?

3) weve picked up points but not many games have we dominated and won comfortably. Yes i know you cant win every game comfortably and yes luck is a great thing to have, but TS's record could be so much different. Defensively weve been utterly shocking at times and uncohesive most of the time. Will that change next season? Maybe. Sure some of it must be due to the injuries weve had and not being able to put the same side out. But ts' preferred style will continue to put us under pressure defensively next season. So unless we continue to be lucky under ts next year ( and relying on luck is a mugs game) theres no guarantee ts will be able to garner as many points next season. His inability to organise the defence properly is not an attribute that is highly sort after by other PL clubs.

4) theres this misconception that seems to be floating around that pre-season will be some mystical perios where suddenly TS will turn in to some messianic type manager that will change his style of play and suddenly the players will improve as s team and yhen next season everything will be hunky dory. Wat a load of bs. We dropped out of the Europa ages ago, tims had plenty of time to get his ideas across to the team week in week out , and weve all seen the results in terms of team play ( and lack of solidity). Again i ask honestly which PL club would give TS s chance to manage there team next season?

Im not saying he hadn't got the potential to be a decent manager some where in a few years time after learning his trade properly. But no other PL team would let him run amok at their club like he has done here. Im not saying he doesnt deserve some plaudits for the work he has done, he does, but lets not get carried away here. He is not what our club needs in the short term or long trm. If no other PL team would hire him why the feck would we?

glorygloryeze · 27 Apr 2014

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

superfaisty said:
Fair play Tim deserves credit for the number of points hes won since taking over. And if we just judged him on that stat alone sure he probably deserves a shot next season in the epl. But anyone who thinks anyone in this league other than spurs would hire him to manage them after his overall performances this season is a fool in my opinion.

So lets scratch the surface:
1) ades return is probably the single biggest influence on our goal return and points gained since Ts took over. Yes he does deserve credit for bringing him back from the cold but lets be honest, since ades come back hes been brilliant because hes been motivated but also because hes s high quality player. But hes singularly failed to improve bobby's scoring record so Ts is no genius in that regard. If he was in charge of sunderland or cardiff or west brom would he have gained as many points without Ades influence - i doubt it. In fact had ade got injured or out for any lenght of time Ts would have struggled.

2) eriksen had been bloody brilliant in fits and spurts but hes been more influential in the second half of the year having had the benefit of getting used to the league. Does ts get the credit for Eriksen settling?

3) weve picked up points but not many games have we dominated and won comfortably. Yes i know you cant win every game comfortably and yes luck is a great thing to have, but TS's record could be so much different. Defensively weve been utterly shocking at times and uncohesive most of the time. Will that change next season? Maybe. Sure some of it must be due to the injuries weve had and not being able to put the same side out. But ts' preferred style will continue to put us under pressure defensively next season. So unless we continue to be lucky under ts next year ( and relying on luck is a mugs game) theres no guarantee ts will be able to garner as many points next season. His inability to organise the defence properly is not an attribute that is highly sort after by other PL clubs.

4) theres this misconception that seems to be floating around that pre-season will be some mystical perios where suddenly TS will turn in to some messianic type manager that will change his style of play and suddenly the players will improve as s team and yhen next season everything will be hunky dory. Wat a load of bs. We dropped out of the Europa ages ago, tims had plenty of time to get his ideas across to the team week in week out , and weve all seen the results in terms of team play ( and lack of solidity). Again i ask honestly which PL club would give TS s chance to manage there team next season?

Im not saying he hadn't got the potential to be a decent manager some where in a few years time after learning his trade properly. But no other PL team would let him run amok at their club like he has done here. Im not saying he doesnt deserve some plaudits for the work he has done, he does, but lets not get carried away here. He is not what our club needs in the short term or long trm. If no other PL team would hire him why the feck would we?

Good points; especially the fact that TS has had time to build some team pattern of play and more solidity. In fact when we've had more time between games we've played worse

metalgear · 27 Apr 2014

Re: Do you want Tim Sherwood to stay as manager?

sorry we deserve better.

THFC84 · 27 Apr 2014

Re: Do you want Tim Sherwood to stay as manager?

I honestly can't make up my mind about Tim. If you asked me a little while back i would have said get rid of him however I admire him for the fact that he is not afraid to give our academy players a chance in the first time (Bentaleb, Kane) so fair enough he's got balls so credit where its due. In the league he's surprised me with his record of nearly 2 points per game and we couldn't really have asked for much more. The football we play is more entertaining than it was under AVB. Defensively we look shaky but at least we look like scoring when we go forward and it's a bit more enjoyable now. His insistence on not playing a defensive midfielder in games against the top sides is bizarre and his persona and the way he comes across in interviews is very irritating but i would actually give the guy a chance next season. The players look like they want to play for him (except Sandro) and the overall impact he has had on the club has been more positive than negative. Eriksen and Adebayor have thrived under him and Kane and Bentaleb have gained valuable first team experience. I say give the guy a chance next season. It's a massive gamble but we have nothing to lose.

sc25 · 27 Apr 2014

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

superfaisty said:
Fair play Tim deserves credit for the number of points hes won since taking over. And if we just judged him on that stat alone sure he probably deserves a shot next season in the epl. But anyone who thinks anyone in this league other than spurs would hire him to manage them after his overall performances this season is a fool in my opinion.

So lets scratch the surface:
1) ades return is probably the single biggest influence on our goal return and points gained since Ts took over. Yes he does deserve credit for bringing him back from the cold but lets be honest, since ades come back hes been brilliant because hes been motivated but also because hes s high quality player. But hes singularly failed to improve bobby's scoring record so Ts is no genius in that regard. If he was in charge of sunderland or cardiff or west brom would he have gained as many points without Ades influence - i doubt it. In fact had ade got injured or out for any lenght of time Ts would have struggled.

2) eriksen had been bloody brilliant in fits and spurts but hes been more influential in the second half of the year having had the benefit of getting used to the league. Does ts get the credit for Eriksen settling?

3) weve picked up points but not many games have we dominated and won comfortably. Yes i know you cant win every game comfortably and yes luck is a great thing to have, but TS's record could be so much different. Defensively weve been utterly shocking at times and uncohesive most of the time. Will that change next season? Maybe. Sure some of it must be due to the injuries weve had and not being able to put the same side out. But ts' preferred style will continue to put us under pressure defensively next season. So unless we continue to be lucky under ts next year ( and relying on luck is a mugs game) theres no guarantee ts will be able to garner as many points next season. His inability to organise the defence properly is not an attribute that is highly sort after by other PL clubs.

4) theres this misconception that seems to be floating around that pre-season will be some mystical perios where suddenly TS will turn in to some messianic type manager that will change his style of play and suddenly the players will improve as s team and yhen next season everything will be hunky dory. Wat a load of bs. We dropped out of the Europa ages ago, tims had plenty of time to get his ideas across to the team week in week out , and weve all seen the results in terms of team play ( and lack of solidity). Again i ask honestly which PL club would give TS s chance to manage there team next season?

Im not saying he hadn't got the potential to be a decent manager some where in a few years time after learning his trade properly. But no other PL team would let him run amok at their club like he has done here. Im not saying he doesnt deserve some plaudits for the work he has done, he does, but lets not get carried away here. He is not what our club needs in the short term or long trm. If no other PL team would hire him why the feck would we?

So your issue, if I'm following you, is with Levy and the board?

Kingdawson · 27 Apr 2014