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The Overlap - some interesting comments from Ange

DubSpur said:
The ones that forced the constraints that Levy worked under are still there. I don't see anything changing. They'll need to go out and get an Anderson or a Wharton in the summer to convince me that anything is changing.
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Oh things have certainly changed since Levy’s time alright… Not how some had hoped though.
 
tommysvr said:
Thought it was a really weak interview in the end. Didn’t push him on any of the key points.
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Yeah, it ended before I thought it had even started! Weird.

Nothing new, really, but it would’ve been way more exciting if they actually pushed him a bit more on some of the questions. Seems he wanted to be kind and not out people, though.
 
Daisuk said:
Yeah, it ended before I thought it had even started! Weird.

Nothing new, really, but it would’ve been way more exciting if they actually pushed him a bit more on some of the questions. Seems he wanted to be kind and not out people, though.
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I think the problem is 4 or 5 people all firing 'nothing' questions in at once, trying to get their oar into the conversation and darting around rather than digging deeper into fewer areas. It is a chaotic situation.
 
yeah its been highlighted here a few times and quite regularly too
we have no problem paying agents though - they get a large slice of our transfer fees if i recall correctly
Bishop said:
Quelle surprise. He's not confirming anything we didn't already know, just some people don't want to accept it.

He says everything I've always said about the club.
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According to Ange Postecoglou the four players he wanted to sign to help the club bridge the gap from fifth place to challenging for titles, but could not due to wage structure limitations, were:
  1. Pedro Neto (Wolves/Chelsea)
  2. Bryan Mbeumo (Brentford)
  3. Antoine Semenyo (Bournemouth)
  4. Marc Guehi (Crystal Palace)
very interesting if true
 
fernadez said:
Imagine that

Jose and Conte were right all along.
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They don't get a pass from me. They knew what this club was when they came in. Both thought they could break Levy/ENIC and both failed, whilst getting paid huge amounts. Never forget, Mourinho told Levy he could win with the squad Poch had at that time!!! Which was a lie.
 
metalgear said:
yeah its been highlighted here a few times and quite regularly too
we have no problem paying agents though - they get a large slice of our transfer fees if i recall correctly



According to Ange Postecoglou the four players he wanted to sign to help the club bridge the gap from fifth place to challenging for titles, but could not due to wage structure limitations, were:
  1. Pedro Neto (Wolves/Chelsea)
  2. Bryan Mbeumo (Brentford)
  3. Antoine Semenyo (Bournemouth)
  4. Marc Guehi (Crystal Palace)
very interesting if true
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It IS true and was said here before.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Levy was operating within a model, I don't believe he was the sole architect of the model. That's my read of it and if that context is correct, he did very well.

The problem has always been the model because it has a ceiling which is below where we now want to be. By removing Levy, we've no one of his calibre to manage this club effectively within the model that we operate.
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I think he was the unchecked architect of a model that the Lewis family were happy to let rumble on because THEY were making enormous sums of money.
 
DeanoAustin said:
I'm very, very skeptical too and have been since they booted Levy out. However, the public scrutiny is ramping up big time, it's absolute chaos on the pitch and in the stands, we've no one in the dugout and we're sliding towards the Championship. The asset is in danger of massive depreciation.

That may just be the wake-up call that's needed for them to back up some of the public promises they have made. If we carry on as we are, we will go down at some point even if it isn't this season.
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i can tell you they have received a rude shock in the last month or so. It's all easy to run a club until you become the focus of complaints and threats...
 
Legohamster said:
Hmm always take what a sacked manager says with a pinch of salt (same with Conte/Jose - Conte had a massive spend)

We bid / spoke to those 4 players he mentioned, they rejected us, I'm not sure what else you can do in that situation, we offered Semenyo more than City recently.

What other players did he want? what were his back up choices? It's easy to say I want players that ended up at City/Chelsea/United as an example of your ability to spot a player.

He's right we need more PL ready players of course we do, his suggestion the board needs to do more is also correct.
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Could I suggest it was more spoke than bid.... shades of Rivaldo, I suspect.

But hey, let's delude ourselves we have a top 5 squad!
 
I get pretty much all of the critique of the higher ups, but our transfer policy comes down to - can we afford it? Can we afford paying larger wages? Can we afford paying more money for players? Levy was big on staying within FFP, but no one seems to care about that anyway, and there doesn't seem to be any repercussions for those that don't - yet, from a legal perspective, we were doing the right thing. Sure, in theory we could've given as much of a fudge about FFP as Chelski and City, but without mega rich owners wanting to spend, how are we going to just blast money at five senior players over a summer?

I want us to just throw money at anyone and everyone that moves as much as the next guy, but are we really in a financial position to do so with having to pay the debt on the stadium and so on? It seems like such a footnote whenever this is discussed, "they should spend more, the cowards! well, ok, so the downpayment on the stadium cost a bit, yet still!" - kind of like squad of 10 fit players should perform as well as a squad of 22 fit players.

I don't know. Playing a bit of devil's advocate here. A lot of our higher ups clearly don't have a clue about football, and the higher ups in the club (and the club as whole, maybe) probably do have a culture of being self-defeating cowards (ironically), but how much leeway have we really had when it's come to our finances? We are in reality nowhere near any of the big teams, probably due to lack of domestic and international success over years and years (as well as the stadium).

I'm rambling and quite possibly wrong - but it just sounds a bit simplified to say, "if they had just spent more, they would win more". I would've spent more too, if I had more money, but alas.
 
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