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i quite agree! my point is how slow the web moves though, not explicitly how many people are still using IE6 as my entire argument.
i hope internet explorers 6, 7 and 8 die a death, but it's taking long enough already, and none of which are HTML5 compatible.

i'm also not saying flash will continue to be developed ad infinitum, i know it won't - as i said previously, i have worked with director/lingo in the past! which still has people using it today, believe it or not!

believe me, casinos don't give a sh*t what browser you are using, or whether you're up with the latest trends. if they're making millions per day from a single game from the pikeys in china using it, they'll keep it running.

FLASH will NOT disappear in 2-3 years just like that.
 
fudgesocks said:
i quite agree! my point is how slow the web moves though, not explicitly how many people are still using IE6 as my entire argument.
i hope internet explorers 6, 7 and 8 die a death, but it's taking long enough already, and none of which are HTML5 compatible.

i'm also not saying flash will continue to be developed ad infinitum, i know it won't - as i said previously, i have worked with director/lingo in the past! which still has people using it today, believe it or not!

believe me, casinos don't give a sh*t what browser you are using, or whether you're up with the latest trends. if they're making millions per day from a single game from the pikeys in china using it, they'll keep it running.

FLASH will NOT disappear in 2-3 years just like that.
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Of course it won't, legacy systems run for years and years in almost every walk of life. HOWEVER, whether a legacy system is relevant to you and your business very much depends on what business you are in. Let's not make any bones about it, most market leading companies in most fields can hardly work up the effort to sneer at people still on 6/7, let alone design with them in mind. They'll feel the same about people on 8 soon enough as well.
 
fudgesocks said:
i quite agree! my point is how slow the web moves though, not explicitly how many people are still using IE6 as my entire argument.
i hope internet explorers 6, 7 and 8 die a death, but it's taking long enough already, and none of which are HTML5 compatible.

i'm also not saying flash will continue to be developed ad infinitum, i know it won't - as i said previously, i have worked with director/lingo in the past! which still has people using it today, believe it or not!

believe me, casinos don't give a sh*t what browser you are using, or whether you're up with the latest trends. if they're making millions per day from a single game from the pikeys in china using it, they'll keep it running.

FLASH will NOT disappear in 2-3 years just like that.
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Ok, you are spot on. But at some point, developers need to let things go. IE6, 7 and 8 need to go, and Flash should follow them.
 
you'll get no arguments from me there on any of those counts. but in the meantime, if that's where the money is, that's where i'm at ;)

(flash that is, not IE bricktiest, bricker, and brick).

i actually have to force-close flash every time i close it on my works machine. provides a good stable working environment. not.

ps, if you think flash is bad, you never used director ;)
 
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fudgesocks said:
which point was he right about?

main point was that it drained the battery life. correct, and of course he had a point, but imagine if they'd let the flash player work on the iphone? given how poor the battery life is WITHOUT it, how bad would it have reflected on apple if they let this resource hog kill it further? because you can bet your ass it wouldn't adobe that people would have painted in a bad light as a result.

i've said it before, and i'll say it once more. the main reason that flash wasn't available on the iphone, was because apple had to promote the idea of Apps and the App store. money for old rope, almost everything (particularly in the beginning) in the app market could have just as easily been done in flash, and available on the browser for FREE. a lot of it already was, in fact. now, the who store/app idea has sold well, and people bought into the idea, and it has worked out brilliantly for them - they support apps, developed in Flash, in the store. but they run in the runtime environment, and not the browser plugin, which suits them fine.
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Just because you keep saying something, doesn't mean it is true.

Yes apple benefit from paid apps, but in browser flash games were built for PCs. They are brick on mobiles and if you try and go to a page on an android it just crashes or performs poorly. Therefore encouraging apps - designed and built specifically to run on the iPhone makes perfect sense. Apple have also encouraged other standards that will work on the iPhone.

So while they do make money from apps, there are plenty of practical reasons why no flash and having apps is a great idea. Apps would still exist even if they allowed flash. Therefore mentioning you work in the industry and stating the reason for no flash was to get people to buy apps is fairly laughable when you should be more aware of why they made the decision.
 
Apple allow flash on their laptops? Why? Because it works.

They don't allow it on devices with 4 inch touch screens, because it doesn't work. Trying to make something half work is retarded. Who do people blame when it goes wrong? They won't sit there and say "flash is brick", they sit there and say "iPhone is brick". Therefore clearly stating the device is not compatible sets the expectations.

I've never once been in a situation where my iPhone not having flash has bothered me.
 
Allowing Flash — which is a development platform of its own — would just be too dangerous for Apple, a company that enjoys exerting total dominance over its hardware and the software that runs on it. Flash has evolved from being a mere animation player into a multimedia platform capable of running applications of its own. That means Flash would open a new door for application developers to get their software onto the iPhone: Just code them in Flash and put them on a web page. In so doing, Flash would divert business from the App Store, as well as enable publishers to distribute music, videos and movies that could compete with the iTunes Store. [wired]
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Why_Apple_Won't_Allow_Adobe_Flash_on_iPhone

The bigger issue with Flash is that Apple, leveraging the power it has through the immense range of applications available in the App Store, can afford to be picky. And one of the things it's picky about is not offering an easy way for competitors to get in on the action. Programmers may well balk at the treatment at Apple's hands, but ditching iPhone development while it's in its present dominant position is not a decision to be made lightly. [cnet]
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20003196-264.html

funnily enough, apple aren't that forward in suggesting that affecting their revenue streams could possibly ever ever come into the equation.
 
Golfball said:
Apple allow flash on their laptops? Why? Because it works.
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weeeeell.... thats open to discussion ;) . it works "well enough" but it's still not that stable - crashes all the time, moreso in some browsers than others.

Golfball said:
Who do people blame when it goes wrong? They won't sit there and say "flash is brick", they sit there and say "iPhone is brick". Therefore clearly stating the device is not compatible sets the expectations.
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exactly what i said earlier in the thread, though i said it more in relation to killing the battery, it's not adobe that gets the flak, it's apple, hence not allowing it.

Golfball said:
I've never once been in a situation where my iPhone not having flash has bothered me.
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also what i've said in the thread about never using the flash player plug-in on any phone, apart from a couple of times to stream football via a flash client. i don't work directly with streaming video, but i presume that an h.264 version would still be viable for doing that anyway?
 
All I use Flash on my phone for is to stream football. Very handy in that respect. There are some websites that are Flas powered that I browse too but other than that I spose you could do without. Apple users have done. But its useful to know theres no limits to your phobe should u need to use it
 
fudgesocks said:
you'll get no arguments from me there on any of those counts. but in the meantime, if that's where the money is, that's where i'm at ;)

(flash that is, not IE bricktiest, bricker, and brick).

i actually have to force-close flash every time i close it on my works machine. provides a good stable working environment. not.

ps, if you think flash is bad, you never used director ;)
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Oh yes I used Director! I actually preferred that over Flash though (at least at that point in time). But I was very new to everything then.

Also, my previous comments were based on using Flash on a Mac / PC, not on iPad or iPhone. I fully support Apple dropping it as they did. I prefer native apps every day of the week.
 
What is apparently missing from my post are the words "it is my opinion that...", which according to the quotes posted, I am not alone in thinking. Nor did I think I would deem necessary to include at the time.
 
tommysvr said:
Oh yes I used Director! I actually preferred that over Flash though (at least at that point in time). But I was very new to everything then.
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I quite liked it at the time, but I could never ever go back to one level of 'undo'. Ever!
Even the latest version still had that!
 
Well just been on Google Play store and Flash player has a Disclaimer in the description to say they will no longer be updating for Android. Version 4.0 is the latest version Flash will be compatible with (which is the version I use on my Note). Its a shame really.

I dont know Googles/Androids reasons for cutting ties with Flash Player. If its the same reasons Apple dont want to use it then I sincincerely hope Android do not turn out like Apple by restricting people to their software only... The main reasons I switched to Android was the freedom to use my phone fully without restrictions, to customise it as much as I want and not have to hack my phone to get the best from it. I would also miss being able to watch videos in browser and play browser games but most of all... Stream the footy when the misses is watching TV!

So yeah it may be obsolete in 5+ yrs but its very much alive now
 
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