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Spurs players trried to avoid England call-up - says Harry

Wind up the windows twitchy.

We lost Dawson and Defoe after serious injury on England duty in recent seasons.
 
Raziel said:
Distraction .. it actually doesn't ****ing mater what Harry/TS/Gerrard say, the facts are

- Players (from all clubs) very rarely give **** about playing for England ..
- England continuously picks negative/non progressive coaches who pick **** players once they play for a "sky 4" team, even when said player is injured, desperately out of form, or never has been in form
- England hasn't realistically challenged for anything in decades

The FA should be under serious review now, Roy should be ****ing gone (sorry, you can't ****ing get knocked out in 2 games and stay, that's the issue that got you here in the first place) ... but people will go ahead and be distracted by Harry, try to blame some spacegoat in the side and miss the real issue ...
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Agree with most of that except that sadly Harry has managed to turn it into a Spurs thing and the spotlight will be on players like Lennon.
 
Tactical positioning in case Roy steps down. Now he can say he'll bring back the passion if he gets the job. At least that could have been the plan until it backfired somewhat.
 
If this is true Harry, then name names.... But you won't because you know it is slanderous. Sue the flabbermouth, and see him in court. He is a bitter, bitter gob****e, plain and simple
 
Having thought about it some more...

I think it's good that someone high profile has said what i think has been quite clear for sometime now : the England squad is not a place that people want to be, no doubt for a variety of reasons - it's just a shame that it happened to be Redknapp saying it - as the guys a bit of a macaron and has turned it in to a Spurs issue where the rest can now distance themselves from us rather than address the problem at the core of international football in this country.
 
I'd almost certain it would be eithet Bent, Jenas, Lennon or Bentley. All lazy spineless individuals who would'nt break a sweat for us let alone England.

Amazed that some people would even name people like Crouch and Defoe. What they may have lacked in ability they more then showed in that they LOVE playing football.

Realy wish Harry would name and shame.
 
shaney said:
I'd almost certain it would be eithet Bent, Jenas, Lennon or Bentley. All lazy spineless individuals who would'nt break a sweat for us let alone England.

Amazed that some people would even name people like Crouch and Defoe. What they may have lacked in ability they more then showed in that they LOVE playing football.

Realy wish Harry would name and shame.
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I find two of your four possible names there interesting.... Lennon works as hard as any wide player in the league. He consistently tracks back to help his fullback and has always done so. From where do you get the idea that he is lazy and doesn't break sweat? Ditto Jenas. I know he was the standard whipping boy for the fans while at Spurs but there was never anything wrong with his work rate and he was a true team player (hence him generally always being selected when fit by a number of managers at Spurs, despite many of our fans constantly asking 'what does he do?'

Now Lennon and Jenas may have been the players Redknapp is talking about, but to say that were lazy and didn't/wouldn't break sweat for us isn't the case at all.
 
I can believe its them to, although Lennon was rarely in the squad wasn't he?

JJ would make sense as he always got called up but never played, why bother going through all that to sit on the bench.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I find two of your four possible names there interesting.... Lennon works as hard as any wide player in the league. He consistently tracks back to help his fullback and has always done so. From where do you get the idea that he is lazy and doesn't break sweat? Ditto Jenas. I know he was the standard whipping boy for the fans while at Spurs but there was never anything wrong with his work rate and he was a true team player (hence him generally always being selected when fit by a number of managers at Spurs, despite many of our fans constantly asking 'what does he do?'

Now Lennon and Jenas may have been the players Redknapp is talking about, but to say that were lazy and didn't/wouldn't break sweat for us isn't the case at all.
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Agree re Lennon and Jenas, but must say I dont sit comfortably speculating about which of our players did that especially when I question the authenticy of what Redknapp said anyway....
 
harr1984 said:
Agree re Lennon and Jenas, but must say I dont sit comfortably speculating about which of our players did that especially when I question the authenticy of what Redknapp said anyway....
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I'm with you.... My thoughts are that there is probably little substance in what Redknapp has said (it wouldn't be the first time)... That's why he won't name the player(s) as doing so would lead him to all sorts of litigation.
 
Didn't Carrick publicly refuse to join the England squad unless he was first choice for the Euros in 2012?

Surely instead of speculating on what Spurs players may or may not have done the media and Gerrard could focus on those that have already come out and said they don't care enough to put in a lot of effort only to be a bit part player?

And if you're the manager or a fan wouldn't you rather players that aren't motivated for a game or tournament stayed at home anyway?
 
braineclipse said:
Didn't Carrick publicly refuse to join the England squad unless he was first choice for the Euros in 2012?

Surely instead of speculating on what Spurs players may or may not have done the media and Gerrard could focus on those that have already come out and said they don't care enough to put in a lot of effort only to be a bit part player?

And if you're the manager or a fan wouldn't you rather players that aren't motivated for a game or tournament stayed at home anyway?
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Id say it's more likely players feeling that the work they do put in with England always goes un noticed as there has always been an untouchable group of players that get picked regardless of form or suitability to the team/tactics - Carrick being an interesting example - should have been played alongside one of Gerrard or Lampard but will have joined up with countless squads seeing himself being passed over for a pairing which was proven never to work - must have been frustrating, was not surprised when he called time on his England career.
 
The disaffection with England may have something to do with the media's penchant for slaughtering our players almost regardless how they perform whenever we fail to win.

But of course they're hardly going to mention that now, are they.
 
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Id say it's more likely players feeling that the work they do put in with England always goes un noticed as there has always been an untouchable group of players that get picked regardless of form or suitability to the team/tactics - Carrick being an interesting example - should have been played alongside one of Gerrard or Lampard but will have joined up with countless squads seeing himself being passed over for a pairing which was proven never to work - must have been frustrating, was not surprised when he called time on his England career.
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I didn't really speculate towards the reasoning for players not being motivated. I agree that what you say seems likely, and I agree wholeheartedly that Carrick should have had a lot more caps and should have been a clear cut starter for years and years.

Just saying that if people like Gerrard, or the press, wants someone to point a finger at or ask "what's up with that?" to they already have names. And that if people are disillusioned or low on motivation about the national team for whatever reason then you're better off with them not participating.
 
for england, for the queen for what ?

it is every football player's right to turn down an invitation to play England. i think harry is right to say it, unfortunately doesn't have the gumption to talk his way through this one.
 
Wouldn't you love it if one of our players came out and said "it was me" and the reason why is because the team were full of ****s like Campbell, Cole, Gerrard and Terry.
 
Superted said:
Wouldn't you love it if one of our players came out and said "it was me" and the reason why is because the team were full of ****s like Campbell, Cole, Gerrard and Terry.
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Haha that would be briiliant
 
billyiddo said:
Id say it's more likely players feeling that the work they do put in with England always goes un noticed as there has always been an untouchable group of players that get picked regardless of form or suitability to the team/tactics - Carrick being an interesting example - should have been played alongside one of Gerrard or Lampard but will have joined up with countless squads seeing himself being passed over for a pairing which was proven never to work - must have been frustrating, was not surprised when he called time on his England career.
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Have to agree with this. I always thought that when Carrick was in his prime (i.e with us) he should have partnered either Lampard or Gerard for England instead of trying to fit square pegs into round holes and get one of them to sit (which at the time wasn't natural for either).

Chris Waddle (I think it was him anyway) made a good point on the radio the other day. Football is about going out and picking a team and system that will win you a game. In club football, this is easy because if you have one fantastic attacking midfielder but need a defensive one then you just go out and buy a defensive one. At international level, you may have four fantastic attacking midfielders and one decent but not amazing defensive one. The team will always be better with a specialist defensive midfielder playing in his natural position than it will with a fantastic attacking midfielder being forced to play a defensive role. So the better team and system actually looks worse on paper in terms of the 11 men chosen. Although, as soon as an England manager picks a side that is missing 'great attacking midfielder 1' and includes 'pretty average but does a job defensive midfielder', the press jump all over them.
 
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