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The club's been pretty much directionless since Pochettino left, maybe since Mourinho left, if you're feeling generous.

The squad is horribly unbalanced, not in terms of positions, but in terms of profile. It's not entirely the club's fault - we might be in a better situation if Paratici had been allowed to continue. Unfortunately, Paratici's signings were more 'opportunity' signings than part of a plan. Then we signed younger players but again, only because we thought they had a good resale value, not because we were aiming towards something.

Truth is, you also need experienced players. They serve a purpose. But, just like we've done with managers, we go all in on certain profiles then, apparently on a whim, move on to something else.

There's absolutely no rhyme or reason in our choices of managers. So, unsurprisingly, we're running around in circles. At the moment, the idea of giving Frank more time is depressing, because the football served is abject. But it wasn't any better last season, with a completely different manager. As far as I'm concerned, I can't see a difference in terms of entertainment.

I got a nasty feeling once the Postecoglou honeymoon was over that we were back to the 90s, and that's still where I am. We go into every season aiming big, saying Ferdinand, Anderton, Ginola, Klinsmann will make a difference but at the end of the day, they don't because the problem lies elsewhere.

Something will have to give, but I've got no idea what it is. However, when thinking about sacking Franck after 5 months, we should remember what our reputation was like when we hired Postecoglou. We're stuck between a rock and a hard place because there's no guarantee that giving him more time would produce better results. If it were my choice, I'd stick with him until the end of the season, but start feeling out the water and see if a more... suitable coach would be interested in joining (and rebuild from scratch).
 
Bishop said:
You say we didn't look solid would that partially be because of the pairing of Bergvall and Gray didn't offer much in that respect in midfield? Not targeting them but just from reading what you said that seems like a reasonable proposition?

Also again terms of possession, did wine of them need to drop in? It kind of sounds like we still need a dictator or tempo setter to get us going from deep. I'm going to watch this game tonight with the benefit of hindsight so it'll be interesting to see what I notice.
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I don't think we were vulnerable because of that in particular, or not as the primary reasons at least.

The way I saw it, and that may not be what actually happened, neither of them dropped deep much and Palhinha was rather consistently the deepest midfielder when we had the ball. I would have liked them to drop deep more, though that alone wouldn't be a solution.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Because since he has been here we have recorded record low attacking stats repeatedly
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So it’s just stats. Muani is just getting into a rhythm and I thought did well yesterday, apart from putting the ball narrowly wide twice. You didn’t think there was potential there? He’s played twice while looking fully fit and in the groove (he’s not fully fit with a broken jaw).

With no Kulu our best creative player for most of last season and Maddison probably the second most creative both missing, as well as Solanke, are you surprised our attack is limited?

Throw in many new players and young players, a new coach and new way of playing…and it makes sense where we are now. It takes time. Let’s hope Spurs fans don’t undermine a decent manager who just needs some time patience and backing.
 
djp82 said:
The squad is not a top 6 squad. I did not think Frank was the correct man at the time.

What I said when he did arrive he’d need to get this mob performing above the sum of its parts to get near the top of the table.

We have some good young players who in time may come good and maybe not. Apart from Kudus and VDV the rest of our squad is pretty average.

For some reason when they pull a spurs shirt on our fan base think they are world beaters . Add to that missing Kulu and Maddison that hurts because they are two of our best players. Muani is our best forward. He’s been here five minutes.

Frank needs windows to address this.
This is a failure on clubs part i think our transfer activity has been to weighted towards young talent we hope will come good. Also middling players we hope to step up. Look at Richy and Solanke big fees ish for average prem players .

Lots of little problems at Spurs that have left us in this position.
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Kudus is an issue
He beats a man then for whatever reason doesn’t release it (could be options but I think it’s tactical). We see the positives because he is what he is but under the right coaching structure and team Set up he would be much more effective IMO
 
SpurMeUp said:
So it’s just stats. Muani is just getting into a rhythm and I thought did well yesterday, apart from putting the ball narrowly wide twice. You didn’t think there was potential there? He’s played twice while looking fully fit and in the groove (he’s not fully fit with a broken jaw).

With no Kulu our best creative player for most of last season and Maddison probably the second most creative both missing, as well as Solanke, are you surprised our attack is limited?

Throw in many new players and young players, a new coach and new way of playing…and it makes sense where we are now. It takes time. Let’s hope Spurs fans don’t undermine a decent manager who just needs some time patience and backing.
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Do you have eyes mate?
I’m hearing we’re missing players as an excuse
Your now saying it’s the new players and new way of playing
I’m lost
It’s a lot of excuses TBH
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Kudus is an issue
He beats a man then for whatever reason doesn’t release it (could be options but I think it’s tactical). We see the positives because he is what he is but under the right coaching structure and team Set up he would be much more effective IMO
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I agree .

Here’s how I see it. For years our fan base justify our signings by saying we can’t compete with wages and fees the very top teams pay. That’s correct. So why do we expect top tier football ?

They are for the most part mutually exclusive. The market we shop in has lead us to where we are now.

So as a fan base I don’t know what we expect.

We don’t buy the best players so can’t expect top of the table football.
 
djp82 said:
I agree .

Here’s how I see it. For years our fan base justify our signings by saying we can compete with wages and fees the very top teams pay. That’s correct. So why do we expect to tier football ?

They are for the most part mutually exclusive. The market we shop in has lead us to where we are now.

So as a fan base I don’t know what we expect.
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Hard one to answer one in what we expect
I think it’s fair to ask for progress when we spend a lot of money as a club and as fans
 
djp82 said:
That’s the reality. Where are we at ? We have been a basket case since Poch . No clear direction. In all aspects of the team. Managerial and player recruitment.
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If you flip flip every time that’s what happens
We go from an attacking manager to a defensive one
TBH it’s normal for clubs that have money because they can afford to do it
But it rarely leads to good outcomes unless you just throw more and more money at it
I’m still concerned that we have a great youth set up yet not one in the real squad. That should be a minimum requirement of any side
Then add in the lack of identity and that can really start at the very very top
It’s odd and wouldn’t even get near to working in any other industry
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Hard one to answer one in what we expect
I think it’s fair to ask for progress when we spend a lot of money as a club and as fans
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That’s the reality. Where are we at ? We have been a basket case since Poch . No clear direction. In all aspects of the team. Managerial and player recruitment.

We spent a lot on players who are not top talents. Spent a lot on unproven talent we hope will come good. It feels haphazard.

Last night we put Bergvail and Gray in midfield. Both young talents will have good and bad days. Ultimately that’s not good enough if we aspire to be a top 4-6 side. That’s not knocking their ability. That’s a reality at most levels of the game.

Sorry big edit.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
If you flip flip every time that’s what happens
We go from an attacking manager to a defensive one
TBH it’s normal for clubs that have money because they can afford to do it
But it rarely leads to good outcomes unless you just throw more and more money at it
I’m still concerned that we have a great youth set up yet not one in the real squad. That should be a minimum requirement of any side
Then add in the lack of identity and that can really start at the very very top
It’s odd and wouldn’t even get near to working in any other industry
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Exactly. So we have to check our expectations as fans and need some stability and direction. Frank may or may not be the man for that. That’s a separate conversation.

As a club we need a plan a direction. Stability.
 
djp82 said:
Exactly. So we have to check our expectations as fans and need some stability and direction. Frank may or may not be the man for that. That’s a separate conversation.

As a club we need a plan a direction. Stability.
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Fans have a right to expect
We pay our money to see a high quality product
The issue is of course that it may not be them at and that’s the variable
I also think you have to ask what is the expectation . I think it’s just progress each year, that’s all for me but others may disagree
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Fans have a right to expect
We pay our money to see a high quality product
The issue is of course that it may not be them at and that’s the variable
I also think you have to ask what is the expectation . I think it’s just progress each year, that’s all for me but others may disagree
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We’d all like to see progress. I am on the same page as you. This starts at the top of the club.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Do you have eyes mate?
I’m hearing we’re missing players as an excuse
Your now saying it’s the new players and new way of playing
I’m lost
It’s a lot of excuses TBH
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Hold on. You said the reason you didn’t back Frank was the attacking stats. I asked you if you thought Muani looked promising yesterday - using your eyes - and if you could see some positive shoots. Baring in mind he’s new and just setting.

If you add in the service is going to be patchy without experienced players, and surely you can cut the side and Frank a bit more slack. From 17th we’re as expected.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Hold on. You said the reason you didn’t back Frank was the attacking stats. I asked you if you thought Muani looked promising yesterday - using your eyes - and if you could see some positive shoots. Baring in mind he’s new and just setting.

If you add in the service is going to be patchy without experienced players, and surely you can cut the side and Frank a bit more slack. From 17th we’re as expected.
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I’m just in shock the excuses are all out for him
He has experienced players to use, and he also has less experienced ones
This is a managerial decision on who he picks and why
 
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