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Mousa Dembele
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Bedfordspurs
Arthur Rowe
Whilst I agree 100% Dembele should be playing, if Poch doesn't want him then he isn't going to play him and we have to back a manager for once 100%
Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
Yea as much as I completely disagree with not playing Dembele, it's absolutely pointless him, stambouli, Lennon and a few others being in our squad if they're not going to be played when their obvious rivals for the position have been poor and/or tired. So we need to sell them and get someone the manager does trust/rate/will play.
Spurmac1974
Reto Ziegler
The thing we never learn is to employ a decent one, mistake after mistake.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
I think all our managers have been decent enough. We've been in the higher echelons of the PL for years. They just haven't been exceptional and that is what we need to break into the CL qualification places on a regular basis considering our relative finances.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Dembele had a couple of decent games, but for the most part he has been crap.
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
Its easy to say that in hindsight, ALL manager appointments are a gamble and changing them every couple of years is madness.
Spurmac1974
Reto Ziegler
No hindsight about it, AVB was a disaster waiting to happen from Day 1, how Levy didnt see that was mind boggling!
And Poch has no history of being a winning manager, he got lucky with Redknapp because of the squad and what Redknapp added to it. To then go back to a system DOF which failed so badly the first time round was another brain fart. They arent a gamble when they are proven winners, we just wont pay them the money! To persevere with someone so clearly out of his depth would be madness.
this post is all over the place
if AVB was a disaster waiting to happen from day 1 why did it take over a season for it that to materialize?
Pochettino has no history of being a winning manager, what does this matter exactly? was Redknapp, who made his name as a lower half/relegation specialist, a winner? did that hold him back from doing a good job for us? did AVBs league title, domestic and european trophies help him in his second season with us?
can a DoF system which was in place as the club grew from bumbling around the lower half to a top 6 team really be described as 'failing so badly'?
a manager so out of his depth in his first season that he looks to have the team finishing exactly where finances dictate we should be and the same place we finished last season
Spurmac1974
Reto Ziegler
What 8th? Cause thats where we will end up. Finances shouldnt dictate where you finish if you are as good as people seemed to think then he should be punching above his weight, or is average good enough for us? Maybe it is, but the football ive watched this season bar less than 5 performances has been dire, dull and niave! Because the rest of the league is muck and Kane has bailed him out doesnt mean hes doing a good job.
Dont even get me started on the captaincy nonsense and what hes done to certain players over the course of the season.
Spurmac1974
Reto Ziegler
Which bit are you struggling with?
Spurmac1974
Reto Ziegler
Yeah i fked that up a bit, but you get my drift its not that difficult
Yeah i fked that up a bit, but you get my drift its not that difficult
yeah, i deleted the post anyway as i thought it came across a bit rude
re: AVB - with hindsight it's an easy thing to say i guess and ultimately it's easy for those who were against him from the beginning to say 'i told you so' and look like mystic meg in the process but i don't agree it was destined to fail from the beginning and had the summer before his exit gone a little differently he might still have a job here - whether the football would have improved or our position beyond 5th IDK
re : winning manager - what do you define as a winning manager? AVB on paper was one, Redknapp on paper wasn't one - yet which one of these had the better time of it as Spurs manager? who are these irrefutable winners that will come to Premier League and not manage an established CL regular or financially doped club? not many i think would want to tarnish their records by picking the 6th strongest club in a league - these managers go to the top clubs in Europe not ones which are massive outsiders to even qualify for the CL. as with our transfer targets we need to speculate on potential and not throw in the towel if we don't get instant success
re : MP and being out of his depth - if you've already come to the conclusion we're finishing 8th then i have to say i think it's a little pointless continuing further down this path as it seems you've already made your mind up. right now we're 6th and can quite conceivably finish in that position, maybe we will drop down to 8th but i won't be slagging anyone off for something that hasn't happened yet.
anyway, Dembele...
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
Your whole post is hindsight.
Bedfordspurs
Arthur Rowe
3 best games we have played under Poch all had Dembele playing
Chelsea and arsenal at home and the battering of a then water tight west brom
A key feature in all those games was Demebel holding the ball up in the right Arabs where our technical players could influence the game. You need ball carriers to gain ground as much as you need fast passers. We have fudged up massively by under using him this season
Oh and he has had some bad games too but then who hasn't
Chelsea and arsenal at home and the battering of a then water tight west brom
A key feature in all those games was Demebel holding the ball up in the right Arabs where our technical players could influence the game. You need ball carriers to gain ground as much as you need fast passers. We have fudged up massively by under using him this season
Oh and he has had some bad games too but then who hasn't
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
Dembele will only be missed when he is gone. For me, he falls into the same category as Gilfi, Dempsey, and Parker. Totally under appreciated while they were here. Shame.
Dembele (my spell checker just changed it to Dumbbell !) has a huge amount of quality and we have failed to bring it out. My guess is that he will go on to have a stellar career elsewhere.
Dembele (my spell checker just changed it to Dumbbell !) has a huge amount of quality and we have failed to bring it out. My guess is that he will go on to have a stellar career elsewhere.
That's a bit of an overreaction. Dempsey was a reasonable effective player, though his overall play left a lot to be desired, but was he really missed that much? Chadli is doing what Dempsey did for us and more. And to a lesser extend the same applies to Siggy with Chadli/Eriksen. As for Parker, I think almost everyone appreciated what he did, but that was in his first season. In his second he was injured for half a year and due to Sandro we didn't really miss him all that much. When he came back from injury he wasn't the same player anymore.
