Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
Again I’d argue Dortmund has to do what they did due to teh work we did in the first game and we did what we had to do
Easy to forget it was a knock out cup game
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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked
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Again I’d argue Dortmund has to do what they did due to teh work we did in the first game and we did what we had to do
Easy to forget it was a knock out cup game
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
I can spend all day writing up why others may fail to capitalise on our slump and I’m sure people will argue why we can’t turn it around
Who knows
What I will say is united we’re dead and buried 8/9 games ago... things can change
That break hurt us and maybe this break will help us
AjaxDeSuperYids
Drama queen
We might have a slither of a chance if man utd beat the anal today and clamsea drop points but you just know that both the anal and clamsea will win today.
Its almost guaranteed, put money on it.
Agreed - from memory Poch has done it after the Old Trafford win and Burnley loss, and in both cases we’ve had poor results afterwards. It doesn’t seem to work.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
imcallingbullsh*t
Steven Caulker
The caricature of Levy as a tight fisted chairman and Poch as a manager doing his best with his hands behind his back is obviously ridiculous, the truth is in the middle somewhere
Poch hates having a large squad, and hates having players that are around the team perhaps slagging him off that are unused, see Jansen as example 1
He also wont tolerate players not 100% onboard with his ideas, see Walker as example 1
Therefore more than likely he has been offered players, but he believes the players he has were better, however the Levy narrative does him no harm in terms of his career.
Im sure if Levy offered him N'Dombele he isnt going to say No
However we cant get a N'Dombele, so the question is if Poch is being unrealistic, or Levy overly restrictive, that we will never know, however as we managed to get Kane and Dele tied into new contracts we can get deals done
Issue i have is that in 45 minutes of football i go from we need a new RB, a CM and we will be right amongst it, to, we need a rebuild there is something wrong with this team.
The truth is again somewhere in the middle, its so obvious that without Winks we simply cannot gain any control in midfield, which is what our play is based on, thats massively screwing eriksen and has caused his loss of form, as he doesnt know if he is part of a front 4 or a middle 3 and then gets lost in-between doing neither job effectively.
We should JUST have enough to get top 4, win 6 and lose 2, however although we say it every year this summer really is crucial, mainly as our hand will be forced, poch needs to decide on a preferred system and get the players available. We then need to start getting more brutal with players we like, IF we had sold Dembele 2yrs ago and brought somebody else there may have been a meltdown, but this squad is suffering by having too many players who cant stay match fit.
Trippier, Vorm, Llorente, Wanyama, Janssen, Nkoudou, Toby OUT
Wan-Bissaka, Old or Young GK, Son Mk2, Winks Backup, Vertonghen backup IN
Poch hates having a large squad, and hates having players that are around the team perhaps slagging him off that are unused, see Jansen as example 1
He also wont tolerate players not 100% onboard with his ideas, see Walker as example 1
Therefore more than likely he has been offered players, but he believes the players he has were better, however the Levy narrative does him no harm in terms of his career.
Im sure if Levy offered him N'Dombele he isnt going to say No
However we cant get a N'Dombele, so the question is if Poch is being unrealistic, or Levy overly restrictive, that we will never know, however as we managed to get Kane and Dele tied into new contracts we can get deals done
Issue i have is that in 45 minutes of football i go from we need a new RB, a CM and we will be right amongst it, to, we need a rebuild there is something wrong with this team.
The truth is again somewhere in the middle, its so obvious that without Winks we simply cannot gain any control in midfield, which is what our play is based on, thats massively screwing eriksen and has caused his loss of form, as he doesnt know if he is part of a front 4 or a middle 3 and then gets lost in-between doing neither job effectively.
We should JUST have enough to get top 4, win 6 and lose 2, however although we say it every year this summer really is crucial, mainly as our hand will be forced, poch needs to decide on a preferred system and get the players available. We then need to start getting more brutal with players we like, IF we had sold Dembele 2yrs ago and brought somebody else there may have been a meltdown, but this squad is suffering by having too many players who cant stay match fit.
Trippier, Vorm, Llorente, Wanyama, Janssen, Nkoudou, Toby OUT
Wan-Bissaka, Old or Young GK, Son Mk2, Winks Backup, Vertonghen backup IN
imcallingbullsh*t
Steven Caulker
I would also add if Poch leaves it wont be due to lack of investment, it would be because the amount of investment would put pressure on him that could damage his image. (completely understandable)
Best option is Madrid and Utd go elsewhere and Poch is forced to rebuild us, realistically he would have to see that through to still be included in the mix for those jobs
Trippier, Vorm, Llorente, Wanyama, Janssen, Nkoudou, Toby OUT 60mil
Wan-Bissaka, Old or Young GK, Son Mk2, Winks Backup, Vertonghen backup IN 100mil
The headline would be Poch given 100mil for title push, even though the upgrade of the squad isnt really 100mil, and not enough to push for a title
Best option is Madrid and Utd go elsewhere and Poch is forced to rebuild us, realistically he would have to see that through to still be included in the mix for those jobs
Trippier, Vorm, Llorente, Wanyama, Janssen, Nkoudou, Toby OUT 60mil
Wan-Bissaka, Old or Young GK, Son Mk2, Winks Backup, Vertonghen backup IN 100mil
The headline would be Poch given 100mil for title push, even though the upgrade of the squad isnt really 100mil, and not enough to push for a title
imcallingbullsh*t
Steven Caulker
Thats where i sit in the middle of the Poch vs Levy thing
Yesterday we had no midfield we were just banging it long to the 3 up-front, normally we would have brought on Wanyama to shore up the midfield, except Wanyama is shot and cant pass the ball.
The issue to me is that we have held on to Lamela, Dembele, Wanyama for too long, you can hold a sissoko or a Trippier in the hopes that he will improve, but you cant keep players around if physically they cant do it, as it just places too much game-time on the likes of Winks who then isnt there on days like yesterday.
There is no way that Poch was told that he had £0 to spend in 18 months, more that he didnt like the options given and the club cant force him as otherwise we have a Janssen situation which does nobody any good.
Due to the end of contract situation, Poch will now be forced to get in what he can rather than what he wants. Either way i think it will improve us as the first 11 is ok, and id rather have a fit but limited second 11 than a injury prone second 11
El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
I do trust him BUT there’s obviously issues at play here. Not easy to overlook our largely poor performances through the season and our nine league defeats. To end the season with eleven losses, which is more than possible given the CashRegister City, and Anfield, away days then that’s far from acceptable from a club that’s a top 4 contender.
We have no right to expect to be top 4, and of course we operate with a far lower budget than other clubs, but ultimately as a club we decided not to add players to our squad and instead let Dembele leave. That seems a questionable operating policy when we knew going in to the season that we had a tired squad and that a handful of players were injury prone.
So somewhere big questions have to be asked and big questions answered.
What is going wrong? Why can we suddenly not defend? Why do players seem full of fire one moment and then cold as a winters day the next with their playing attitudes? Where do we go next and how do we avoid a similar season?
As trust me, if answers can’t be given then we won’t even be in the top 4 equation next season as our poor performances and high number of losses will see us floating back down to mid table.
Plus Pochettino’s quoting of ‘top 4 is the limit’ is very much reminiscent of Redknapp’s ‘never had it so good’. This season feels too much like that season. Collapse and then the manager leaves.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
We defended outstandingly well mid week
I do think we suffer form a constant change of defenders though
Jurgen the German
Tommy Harmer
I trust Poch to fix it. I also wish he would pick the best back four and stick with it. Doesn’t help keep chopping and changing the CB’s and full backs around.
El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
We did last ditch defending and good saves from Lloris. But what the fudge happened yesterday? Dreadful defending in the second half. Our keeper has had to make 95 saves this season. That’s twice the number that City’s keeper has had to make. City with the lowest number of saves this season. After them are Liverpool and Chelsea. We are midtable as far as the ‘saves’ statistic. That shows to me that we are conceding far too many chances.
Now, a big part of that is our central midfield as it’s been weaker this season than most with injuries, and players having moved on. But Pochettino and Levy have had two windows to address that and ended up with zero incomings. So that doesn’t bode well to be able to identify weaknesses and stand by almost as if with arms crossed behind back.
Our defending as a team isn’t good enough on a consistent basis. In previous seasons we have had an excellent defensive record, with amongst fewest goals conceded. So what happened this season?!
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
When were at our very best we really limit those chances and the stats show it
We haven’t defensively been anywhere near that this season
Doesn’t help with so many unforced errors in defence
Honestly I think partly what happened yesterday is that KWP played and was awful! And next to him, Sanchez had one of his poor games (which he is still prone to doing at 22). I just watched MOTD highlights again and at least one of those two did something wrong for every single one of Southampton's chances. (Obviously Verts and Rose didn't cover themselves in glory for the first goal either, but even that started with KWP losing his man and Sanchez totally missing the ball.)
Not sure they're a problem as such - they're only 21 and 22 - but maybe it is a problem (or at least not ideal) that both of our backup CBs are so young?
Then again, think a bigger problem is our first choice right-back and defensive quality and depth in central midfield.
El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
And as always, the buck falls with the manager. Why are we making those errors? Why are we not in position of control and not able to defend a lead? If the manager can’t answer those questions then is he the right manager for us? I greatly admire the work Pochettino has done for us but right now there are questions that he, and the team, must find answers to.