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Mario Gomez

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Straw man argument. When did Darren Bent last score 40 in a season?
Lazy comparison. A player who couldn't get a start for Villa, and one who has been banging in goals in Chmapions League semi's against Barcelona in the previous season.

Did I say it was an argument against signing Mario Gomez?

Did I say that they were as good?

How many goals against a team constitutes "banging in goals"?

They are similar in what they offer, they both score chances that are created for them at a reasonable rate without offering much else to the team. Gomez is better imo, but also has a price tag about 3 times as high as Bent.

Directly comparing how many goals they've scored when playing for vastly different teams in different leagues is hardly fair. A one in two scoring record for Charlton and Sunderland is fairly good actually, he was close to that at Villa to before this season where he was obviously dropped for the much better Benteke.
 
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bent would score that many goals in germany playing for bayern that have a habit of creating dozens of chances
 
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Ignore the rest of that crap you just spouted, just focus on that. You'll go far.

we should get bent back then. he'll save us. should be cheap too

the bale example of proof of goals winning games is odd. almost like he does nothing for the whole game on the regular and then scores. Oh like say , the likes of bent and gomez

why stop with bent...why not just look up goal tallies across all leagues and just buy the guys that score goals no matter the skill set or where they play or who for
 
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So he's gone to Fiorentina? Thank GHod we dodged that 25 goal a season bullet...

quite a few teams out there apparently dodged that bullet also, wasnt as if there was a mad scramble for his signature by all accounts

but dont worry, like i keep saying...bent/fletcher/lambert are all still available

actually lambert and fletcher as good squad additions
 
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quite a few teams out there apparently dodged that bullet also, wasnt as if there was a mad scramble for his signature by all accounts

but dont worry, like i keep saying...bent/fletcher/lambert are all still available

actually lambert and fletcher as good squad additions

African... I am disappoint!

I think Lambert is a good all round player.
 
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we should get bent back then. he'll save us. should be cheap too

the bale example of proof of goals winning games is odd. almost like he does nothing for the whole game on the regular and then scores. Oh like say , the likes of bent and gomez

why stop with bent...why not just look up goal tallies across all leagues and just buy the guys that score goals no matter the skill set or where they play or who for

Wow, we're through the looking glass now :lol:

I think looking through the leagues and looking at the guys who have scored the most is a pretty good way to start a striker search to be fair.
 
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Wow, we're through the looking glass now :lol:

I think looking through the leagues and looking at the guys who have scored the most is a pretty good way to start a striker search to be fair.

not sure why its a start..why not end with it. after all thats nearly the entire basis of your requirements for someone to play on our team. dont have to offer anything......just a goal

i dont understand the looking glass thing
 
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Mario Gomez scores lots of goals: 75 in 115 league appearances for Bayern Munich, 63 in 121 for Stuttgart and 25 in 58 games for Germany. Even last season, when he had been relegated to second choice behind Mario Mandzukic, Gomez rattled in 12 goals in 11 starts. When he joined Bayern in 2009, he was the most expensive transfer in Bundesliga history. If various add-on clauses end up being triggered, he will surpass Nuno Gomes as Fiorentina's record signing.
Gomez is 28 on Wednesday, theoretically at least at the peak of his career. And yet there seems to be no great shock or sadness that he is leaving Bayern, no gnashing of teeth from Premier League clubs that another top forward has got away; indeed, even at the height of the silly season when it seems every player in the world is linked to at least one Premier League club, nobody seemed to think anything of him. So why have Fiorentina spent £13m (possibly rising to £17m) on a striker while the rest of the world shrugged its shoulders?
For Fiorentina, this feels like a major statement of intent: the Della Valle family will continue the investment that saw Fiorentina finish fourth last season under Vincenzo Montella and so qualify for the Europa League. Given the number of forwards in their squad, it is also surely final confirmation that Stevan Jovetic, as was expected, will leave this summer – with Juventus still looking the most likely destination. Gomez, though, is far from a like-for-like replacement, offering far less in terms of mobility, versatility and technical ability.
There is a perception that Gomez is profligate, that, although he scores hatfuls of goals, he also misses hatfuls of chances, as though any joker turning up and pulling on a Bayern or Germany shirt would end up with a similar goals return. It's certainly true that he misses chances – and it's not difficult to recall some real sitters he's squandered. Yet the stats suggest he is no worse than anybody else. Last season he scored 11 goals from 38 shots – not a perfect measure of his ruthlessness in front of goal but an indication.
Admittedly, 12 of his 21 appearances in the Bundesliga last season were from the bench, so perhaps he benefited from the tiring limbs of opponents battered by the Bayern machine. But the season before he scored 26 goals from 101 shots – so 3.88 shots per goal. Last season, the player who replaced him, Mario Mandzukic, scored 15 goals from 67 shots – 4.47 shots per goal. And Mario Götze, signed from Borussia Dortmund and likely to play at least part of next season as a false nine, scored 10 goals from 53 shots: 5.3 shots per goal. It's true that Gomez is more of a penalty-box player than either Mandzukic or Götze and therefore probably had more shots from closer in, but even so, the figures hardly suggest a wanton spendthrift.
Gomez appears to suffer in part because he seems such an unmodern footballer (and in that regard it is appropriate that he so resembles the 1955 version of George McFly in Back to the Future). He is not a false nine, far from it, but neither is he a target man or a whippet, a schemer or a poacher. It's very hard to isolate one aspect of his game and say he excels at it. He is quite good in the air, quite good at holding the ball up, quite good at finishing which would make him something approaching the Valeriy Lobanovskyi ideal of the universal player if he ever dropped deep or pulled wide. He is, rather, just an old-fashioned centre-forward, somebody who has a knack of scoring goals.
The problem is that, in the modern game, at the very highest level, that is not quite enough. It was injury that cost Gomez his place in the Bayern side, but the reason he could not get back in was that Mandzukic, raw and wild as he occasionally still is, was more effective at initiating the press thanks to his prodigious work rate. With Götze arriving, giving Pep Guardiola the option of a false nine, there was no need to hang on to a player who is not a Guardiola-type of forward – particularly not with £13m on offer.
Gomez's misfortune seems to be that the perception he is not quite in the very first rank, that he is yesterday's model, has rendered him damaged goods even to teams who are not quite themselves of the first rank. It is almost as though across Europe a phalanx of teams on the verge of Champions League qualification have decided that if he is not quite good enough for Bayern then he is not good enough for them. It may be, though, that by recognising they are not quite of the elite, Fiorentina have picked up a very serviceable centre-forward.
 
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Yes but for 13m - thats a fudgein bargain.

What would you expect from a 13m striker? You cant expect him to be perfect otherwise a) he wouldnt cost 13m b) Bayern wouldnt get rid c) more competition to buy Gomez and d) Gomez wouldnt have come here (had we gone in for him).

Anyways the ship has sailed.
 
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Those of you that are repeating that goals win games and scoring goals is the end all and be all of judging a striker:

Would you have Darren Bent back?

If Bent scored 30-40 goals a season for us he would never had left, would be our current first choice forward and the fans would worship the groud he walks on!
 
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