Mario Gomez

[Spurs852]

(if Bale played wide too)

This is my main concern TBH.

 

[Fred]

Giroud would, mostly because we only have two strikers and one of them didn't fire for most of the season. Podolski is no better than Dempsey or Siggurdsson, so i don't see why he'd walk in. He spent the entire season playing on the left, so that's where i'll compare him.

Podolski is certainly better than Dempsey and Sigurdsson. He's scored 11 goals and made 9 assists for them last season in the league giving him an over contribution of 20 (goals + assists). Dempsey only managed 7 goals and 4 assists giving a contribution of 11 whilst Sigurdsson only managed 3 goals and 4 assists giving a contribution of 7. He statistically was more effective than the both of them combined and I know statistics don't mean everything but we need to look at goals and assists when assessing a forward player. I'd definitely have him on the left over the other two.

I just don't understand why our fans constantly overrate our players and then wonder why we finish below the goons. We were lucky to have had Bale or we would've been a lot further down the table. That's why we need a proper striker like Gomez as scoring goals is clearly a problem for our team (Bale aside).

 

[Rorschach]

I guess champions league semi final vs Barcelona isn't a very big game?

I think you forgot to add the rolly eyes to your post. Did he do well? I can't remember.

 

[camspur]

I'd rather have someone who can dovetail nicely with Bale as well as put the ball in the net, like David Villa.

You mean as opposed to someone who dovetails nicely with Robben and Ribery?

I think Gomez would be a perfect fit as the middle man in a front 3.

As for people saying he had a poor season and "only" scored 19 goals lasy year remember that was in "only" 32 games.

 

[Mumorn]

I'm not Gomez's biggest fan but he is definitely better than Defoe for those arguing. Come on now, he scored 113 goals in 174 games for Bayern Munich and the best some of you come up with is "oh, he has Ribery, Robben etc. playing with him.." but so did Mandzukic and he didn't get anywhere near 30 goals let alone 40. He is a PREDATOR. Someone who will get on the end of balls that just always go across the box when he put them in, someone who knows where the back of the net is. I'd take him!

 

[billyiddo]

^ the amount of times the past 2 or 3 seasons we have been putting balls in the box with no one getting anywhere near them suggests to me he'd be able to get enough chances to get at least a respectable goal tally for us. Bale and a new wing forward type coming would we require hold up play from our forward? could we not hold on to Ade and use him when that is required?

i guess what people are hung up on is that he doesn't seem to offer much else apart from goals, what's his hold up /general game like?

 

[Pandy]

Ade and Defoe don't offer goals though. Do we want a striker who is lethal, or one who tracks back and slide tackles people?

Ignore the 40 goals he scored in a season ???? :ross:

Er, no. He's a striker!!!! He is employed to score goals.

You can't be saying your opinion of a striker is based on their goalscoring record and nothing more?

Few top teams start a specialist finisher, they are a dying breed.

He would be an excellent option were our midfield/attack more creative, but I have serious doubts as to whether our current team offers enough creativity to make full use of him.

If we make the right signings in midfield and attack to complement him, then yes, we should sign him. But I still feel we need someone with more to his game than finishing to lead the line in the long term. Benteke and Gomez would be an excellent pair of signings along with players like Bernard and Banega. If we could get the lot for £50m it would represent good business IMO.

 

[Pandy]

I'm not Gomez's biggest fan but he is definitely better than Defoe for those arguing. Come on now, he scored 113 goals in 174 games for Bayern Munich and the best some of you come up with is "oh, he has Ribery, Robben etc. playing with him.." but so did Mandzukic and he didn't get anywhere near 30 goals let alone 40. He is a PREDATOR. Someone who will get on the end of balls that just always go across the box when he put them in, someone who knows where the back of the net is. I'd take him!

I'm not saying Defoe is better than him. It is no contest. I merely was saying that signing a 'predator' isn't exactly what we need when we don't have the requisite players to put chance after chance on a plate for him. Even if we did have those players, we need a more versatile forward as well (Ade and/or another such as Benteke).

 

[Pandy]

You mean as opposed to someone who dovetails nicely with Robben and Ribery?

I think Gomez would be a perfect fit as the middle man in a front 3.

As for people saying he had a poor season and "only" scored 19 goals lasy year remember that was in "only" 32 games.

The reason he only played 32 games is precisely because he DIDN'T dovetail with Ribery and Robben. That is also why until Mandzukic claimed his first team spot, Dortmund were winning consecutive titles and Bayern couldn't get over the last hurdle in the CL. He was excellent at what he did, but too limited for a first-team spot.

 

[AdamB]

If we can get him we should definitely sign him! There's no chance we'll get anyone better, and he's far better than what we have

We won't get Villa as he's out of our league and Gomez is proven whereas Leandro isn't.

If he'll come we should be all over it. We won't be able to get anyone better. I honestly cnnot believe that anyone thinks we shouldn't sign him

 

[Armchair Expert]

You can't be saying your opinion of a striker is based on their goalscoring record and nothing more?

Few top teams start a specialist finisher, they are a dying breed.

He would be an excellent option were our midfield/attack more creative, but I have serious doubts as to whether our current team offers enough creativity to make full use of him.

If we make the right signings in midfield and attack to complement him, then yes, we should sign him. But I still feel we need someone with more to his game than finishing to lead the line in the long term. Benteke and Gomez would be an excellent pair of signings along with players like Bernard and Banega. If we could get the lot for £50m it would represent good business IMO.

I think maybe I'm just a dinosaur or something and don't understand modern football. To me the amount of goals a striker scores is fairly important when judging them as a player.

If he really is as limited as people say and he cant trap a bag of cement, then that must suggest that his movement and positioning is top class.

Half the reason that our strikers don't score is that Defoe is one of an annoying bread of absolutely brain dead footballers, while Ade spent the entire season hiding behind his marker, pretending to challenge and run.

I believe firstly, that a striker should be largely judged on the amount of goals he scores, and secondly that a good "poacher" needs to have intelligence and instinct. And intelligence and instinct equates to better runs, stretched defences and more opportunities.

Maybe we should play Tom Carroll up front: doesn't score but he'll surely be able to keep possession with his back to goal.

I'm old fashioned: I'll take a blaster from three yards into the roof of the net rather than 90 minutes of "dove tailing."

 

[superfaisty]

If he really is available for 7m then we have to bid for him- I think his finishing is at least better than Ades and defoe is getting on and is too inconsistent.

I would expect next season for us to play better keep ball and pass it around with the right signings, so we need a finsher more than a big hold up striker.

 

[camspur]

The reason he only played 32 games is precisely because he DIDN'T dovetail with Ribery and Robben. That is also why until Mandzukic claimed his first team spot, Dortmund were winning consecutive titles and Bayern couldn't get over the last hurdle in the CL. He was excellent at what he did, but too limited for a first-team spot.

Are you kidding me, too limited, this guy scored 41 and 39 goals in the previous two seasons. The reason he didn't play as much this year certainly wasn't because he's too limited.

 

[billyiddo]

^ you can be limited whilst still be a fantastic goal scorer

 

[onlyme]

I believe in karma. Redknapp had to go and if Gomez had scored he may well have still been our manager.
Maybe he will come and we finish above Chelsea next season.

Ommmmmmm

 

[onlyme]

I think maybe I'm just a dinosaur or something and don't understand modern football. To me the amount of goals a striker scores is fairly important when judging them as a player.

If he really is as limited as people say and he cant trap a bag of cement, then that must suggest that his movement and positioning is top class.

Half the reason that our strikers don't score is that Defoe is one of an annoying bread of absolutely brain dead footballers, while Ade spent the entire season hiding behind his marker, pretending to challenge and run.

I believe firstly, that a striker should be largely judged on the amount of goals he scores, and secondly that a good "poacher" needs to have intelligence and instinct. And intelligence and instinct equates to better runs, stretched defences and more opportunities.

Maybe we should play Tom Carroll up front: doesn't score but he'll surely be able to keep possession with his back to goal.

I'm old fashioned: I'll take a blaster from three yards into the roof of the net rather than 90 minutes of "dove tailing."

Do you what us to re-sign Bent?

I personally want more from a striker than just goals.
Defoe has never turned me on.

 

[billyiddo]

Do you what us to re-sign Bent?

I personally want more from a striker than just goals.
Defoe has never turned me on.

would Defoe have turned you on if he had a goal ratio of 2 in 3 during his time with us?

 

[Pandy]

Are you kidding me, too limited, this guy scored 41 and 39 goals in the previous two seasons. The reason he didn't play as much this year certainly wasn't because he's too limited.

What was the reason then? Bayern brought in Mandzukic and together they each offered something different, but Mandzukic was one of the key pieces of the jigsaw that had previously been missing. They shared games but Mandzukic made the difference in big games where Gomez in previous years could not.

Yes he would be a fantastic signing but just because his name is Mario Gomez does not mean we should think all our problems will be solved by signing him. He is not the answer, he might be a part of it but he will not solve our problems on his own. A more complete player, however rare, might go some way further to doing that.

Bayern's situation is demonstrative - with Gomez they could only go so far, they needed their Mandzukic too. Obviously they got to the CL final and came second in their league with 'just Gomez' but that was less to do with Gomez than it was to do with the overall quality of the squad, something lacking at Spurs.

Signing Gomez, we would still need to a) improve creativity within the midfield (more like Ribery/Robben/Scweinsteiger) and b) also get a more versatile striker (more like Mandzukic, could be Ade).

 

[camspur]

What was the reason then? Bayern brought in Mandzukic and together they each offered something different, but Mandzukic was one of the key pieces of the jigsaw that had previously been missing. They shared games but Mandzukic made the difference in big games where Gomez in previous years could not.

Yes he would be a fantastic signing but just because his name is Mario Gomez does not mean we should think all our problems will be solved by signing him. He is not the answer, he might be a part of it but he will not solve our problems on his own. A more complete player, however rare, might go some way further to doing that.

Bayern's situation is demonstrative - with Gomez they could only go so far, they needed their Mandzukic too. Obviously they got to the CL final and came second in their league with 'just Gomez' but that was less to do with Gomez than it was to do with the overall quality of the squad, something lacking at Spurs.

Signing Gomez, we would still need to a) improve creativity within the midfield (more like Ribery/Robben/Scweinsteiger) and b) also get a more versatile striker (more like Mandzukic, could be Ade).

Big games? You mean like the German Cup Final where Gomez scored twice, or scoring 13 in 14 games in the CL last year and 8 in 8 the year before?

And it wouldn't just be with Gomez that we'd need to improve midfield creativity but I'd sooner Gomez up front than what we have at the moment.

 

[Lost Mango]

I'm sure I remember numerous postings throughout the season about how Lennon (for example) had had a good game and put ball after ball into/across the area only for our current crop of 'strikers' to be ball watching from somewhere behind the line of play.

We weren't brilliantly creative but we did better than some people seem to want to remember. Just cos our strikers couldn't finish or get to the ball shouldn't detract from our other players. And maybe Bale wouldn't have felt it necessary to go solo quite so many times if there was a viable and meaningful option.

Defoe and Ade (last season) aren't even on the same page as 'limited' Gomez