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Can't we just all be banned for blatantly being homophobic bar JPBB so that this discussion can be ended??
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Football and Homophobia
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milo
Jack L. Jones
I wasn't offended. The site rules aren't there to protect my sensitive soul. They are there to stop the board descending into petty arguments and those arguments getting in the way of decent discussion.
I jumped the gun earlier, I apologise for that.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Thanks, Id have to say I agree with him.
JerusalemMan
Johnny Morrison
Oh come on, you've just pulled the rug from under his argument right there.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
You could say your shot load early.
milo
Jack L. Jones
glasgowspur
Nayim
And it took a gay thread to make it happenIt's never happened before
Page after page after page of low level homophobia, occasionally tinged with an undercurrent of racism and the good people of this board watch on in silence.
No one challenges this.
Milo - what does that say about your board? That there are no good people? Or that they are too worried to speak out?
If i was a young Spurs fan reading this I would learn from posts here that a little homophobic abuse is acceptable, that some people have gay friends that like homophobic slurs, that homophobic slurs are ok if you do not mean it, that people who complain are oversensitive, homophobia is ok if you are a good right back, 70s comedians some of whom were gay used homophobic phrases so that makes homophobia ok in 2017, that Britain has a long and proud history of low level homophobia and it is an important part of our culture, homophobic slurs are ok because they can have another meaning, homophobia is allowed under the First Amendment, Stephen Fry says homophobia is ok.
And if I were a young gay person I am not sure I would feel comfortable or welcome here. But not to worry, as someone posted here, if they didn't like it, they could go and support "Rainbow united" (presumably Arsenal).
No one challenges this.
Milo - what does that say about your board? That there are no good people? Or that they are too worried to speak out?
If i was a young Spurs fan reading this I would learn from posts here that a little homophobic abuse is acceptable, that some people have gay friends that like homophobic slurs, that homophobic slurs are ok if you do not mean it, that people who complain are oversensitive, homophobia is ok if you are a good right back, 70s comedians some of whom were gay used homophobic phrases so that makes homophobia ok in 2017, that Britain has a long and proud history of low level homophobia and it is an important part of our culture, homophobic slurs are ok because they can have another meaning, homophobia is allowed under the First Amendment, Stephen Fry says homophobia is ok.
And if I were a young gay person I am not sure I would feel comfortable or welcome here. But not to worry, as someone posted here, if they didn't like it, they could go and support "Rainbow united" (presumably Arsenal).
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milo
Jack L. Jones
Including you because you haven't reported a single post for breaking the site rules.
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Milo - are you suggesting I have not complained about homophobia on this board?
The tone of this board comes from you. And your response suggests you don't see a problem.
Take my post above as a formal complaint.
Do something about it. Or don't. It's your board.
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you see that "REPORT" thing at the bottom of the post - have you tried using this?
milo
Jack L. Jones
You haven't reported a single post. There is a report button under every post, if you click it, you can let us know when you think someone has broken the site rules.
I haven't read all of this thread, my wife is about to go into labour and I have been in and out of hospital over the last couple of days.
If you think that a post has broken the rules, report it and all of the mods can look at it and come to a decision.
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Serge Aurier
JPBB are you actually a Spurs fan or some troll speaking up for LGBT rights?
You've yapped on for about 3 days now and you are just waffling for the sake of it. I don't even know what point you are trying to make now but please give it a rest.
You've yapped on for about 3 days now and you are just waffling for the sake of it. I don't even know what point you are trying to make now but please give it a rest.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
He is accusing us all of being homophobes supporting slurs against LGBT because we havent all raised our pitchforks against Aurier signing.
Instead, we have actually pointed out there are a lot of factors involved in what makes a "slur", as it were, and that this one isnt entirely clear cut. Also that ignorance isnt the same as any ...ism and that education is key.
As well as, in general, offence really needs to be intended in order to be taken.
Essentially, one party has taken an absolute, extreme, binary view on it, while the other has tried to discuss with reason.
The first party has now worked themselves into such a lather they are looking for validation from their friends while broadly slating the entire board population as homophobic, while also playing the victim.
Its all rather strange.
Instead, we have actually pointed out there are a lot of factors involved in what makes a "slur", as it were, and that this one isnt entirely clear cut. Also that ignorance isnt the same as any ...ism and that education is key.
As well as, in general, offence really needs to be intended in order to be taken.
Essentially, one party has taken an absolute, extreme, binary view on it, while the other has tried to discuss with reason.
The first party has now worked themselves into such a lather they are looking for validation from their friends while broadly slating the entire board population as homophobic, while also playing the victim.
Its all rather strange.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Let's hear from Serge Aurier, who has just had his move from PSG to Tottenham confirmed.
He said: “This is a huge and exciting opportunity at a massive football club and I am determined to prove myself as a professional both on and off the pitch.
"This is a fresh start for me and I will do everything to make the Spurs fanbase, which is huge and diverse, proud of me. The fans are the most important people at any club and I am looking forward to showing them and everyone at Spurs the real Serge Aurier.”
Carefully worded. Well enough that I think he might deserve a chance.
He said: “This is a huge and exciting opportunity at a massive football club and I am determined to prove myself as a professional both on and off the pitch.
"This is a fresh start for me and I will do everything to make the Spurs fanbase, which is huge and diverse, proud of me. The fans are the most important people at any club and I am looking forward to showing them and everyone at Spurs the real Serge Aurier.”
Carefully worded. Well enough that I think he might deserve a chance.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
So these guys took issue with his statement, but instead of going hysterical they have taken a very fair and progressive response.
The starting point for that positive statement was an acceptance by everyone that Aurier's words were homophobic. The Proud Lilywhites, the Club, Stonewall and presumably Aurier himself all acknowledge that his words were homophobic.
On this board, I can't see any acknowledgement of the homophobic nature of his words. So deep rooted is the belief that his words were not homophobic, I see posts suggesting that the Clubs statement was a only PR exercise to head off potential criticism.
There is a problem with homophobia on this board.
On this board, I can't see any acknowledgement of the homophobic nature of his words. So deep rooted is the belief that his words were not homophobic, I see posts suggesting that the Clubs statement was a only PR exercise to head off potential criticism.
There is a problem with homophobia on this board.
have you seen a different statement than myself?
Aurier said: “This is a huge and exciting opportunity at a massive football club and I am determined to prove myself as a professional both on and off the pitch. This is a fresh start for me and I will do everything to make the Spurs fanbase, which is huge and diverse, proud of me. The fans are the most important people at any club and I am looking forward to showing them and everyone at Spurs the real Serge Aurier.”
Aurier said: “This is a huge and exciting opportunity at a massive football club and I am determined to prove myself as a professional both on and off the pitch. This is a fresh start for me and I will do everything to make the Spurs fanbase, which is huge and diverse, proud of me. The fans are the most important people at any club and I am looking forward to showing them and everyone at Spurs the real Serge Aurier.”