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Dear oh dear Ed Milliband, what a joke of a man !!!

the dza said:
I don't think this was true in 2010, and it's unlikely to be true now. The methods have changed a lot since 1992, for the better.

From Ashcroft polling of marginals to the general trend across all other polls, The Tory's are nowhere near on course to get a majority.
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I agree. Ashcroft's polls are well worth reading because they are far more detailed than anyone else's and he polls mainly in swing seats and marginals.
 
I have limited understanding of politics but from this poll link, I can deduce that 16% of those that were involved are stealing my oxygen. Seriously, how are UKIP even registering interest from anyone other than those that believe flooding in Britain was caused by the gays?
 
For the best polling data, I go onto UK Polling Report. Very comprehensive, has a roundup of all the polls, along with aggregate tracking and analysis.
 
Can someone please explain to me why Conservatives supporters would be much less open about their support for the party/their politics??

I simply don't get that at all...
 
AuroRaman said:
I have limited understanding of politics but from this poll link, I can deduce that 16% of those that were involved are stealing my oxygen. Seriously, how are UKIP even registering interest from anyone other than those that believe flooding in Britain was caused by the gays?
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I believe flooding to be caused by rising sea levels, a lack of dredging and more extreme weather conditions or and people not having grass front gardens.

The rise of UKIP can be likened to the rise of the Lib Dems in the 90's people then were unhappy with the government but did not think the opposition were ready to lead they also wanted more liberal social policies and quite rightly.

The rise of UKIP now is to do with a dislike of a European Union that is unaware of the pain people in the countries of Europe are going through while tightening their belts when the EU is unprepared to do the same. People in this country(if polls are to be believed) are uneasy with the amount we pay into the EU while we have longer working hours and later retirement ages then those of other EU countries.

People of this country(if polls are to be believed) are unhappy at mass immigration that while good for a few has kept wages down of the poorest, ask any tradesman what happened to him in 2004(I know from personal experience) that is why UKIP has risen in the polls.

All the mainstream parties have to do and are now doing is address those issues and UKIP will disappear. UKIP are already have an effect on politics because the mainstream parties are changing some of their policies. Even Nick Clegg came out this week and said child tax credits going overseas should be paid at different rates.

Just as the Lib Dems were a modernising force for good in the mid 90's so are UKIP now and we will end up with a more balanced fairer society for it.
 
AuroRaman said:
I have limited understanding of politics but from this poll link, I can deduce that 16% of those that were involved are stealing my oxygen. Seriously, how are UKIP even registering interest from anyone other than those that believe flooding in Britain was caused by the gays?
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The remark you refer to was, in fact, made by a Conservative councillor before he defected to UKIP. He was booted out when the comment was publicised by those seeking to smear UKIP. Do try and keep up.
 
Yossarian said:
The remark you refer to was, in fact, made by a Conservative councillor before he defected to UKIP. He was booted out when the comment was publicised by those seeking to smear UKIP. Do try and keep up.
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My understanding is he defected due to the Conservatives stance on same-sex marriage, and made the comment about flooding when he was a UKIP councillor, no? I don't think it's very hard to 'smear' UKIP when their members continually make fools of themselves with ridiculous, backward statements.
 
japenesegardenlover said:
I believe flooding to be caused by rising sea levels, a lack of dredging and more extreme weather conditions or and people not having grass front gardens.

The rise of UKIP can be likened to the rise of the Lib Dems in the 90's people then were unhappy with the government but did not think the opposition were ready to lead they also wanted more liberal social policies and quite rightly.

The rise of UKIP now is to do with a dislike of a European Union that is unaware of the pain people in the countries of Europe are going through while tightening their belts when the EU is unprepared to do the same. People in this country(if polls are to be believed) are uneasy with the amount we pay into the EU while we have longer working hours and later retirement ages then those of other EU countries.

People of this country(if polls are to be believed) are unhappy at mass immigration that while good for a few has kept wages down of the poorest, ask any tradesman what happened to him in 2004(I know from personal experience) that is why UKIP has risen in the polls.

All the mainstream parties have to do and are now doing is address those issues and UKIP will disappear. UKIP are already have an effect on politics because the mainstream parties are changing some of their policies. Even Nick Clegg came out this week and said child tax credits going overseas should be paid at different rates.

Just as the Lib Dems were a modernising force for good in the mid 90's so are UKIP now and we will end up with a more balanced fairer society for it.
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Thank you Chich. I can appreciate where you are coming from with regards to the notion that UKIP are this political era's Lib Dems. A good analogy. I still cannot abide by the laughable views of many of their members that have come to light (which Farage tried to brush off as a couple of idiots and turned out not to be the case), plus their hypocrisy over Europe (expenses claimed compared to actual attendance etc), their links and memberships to groups in the UK and across Europe with extremist views and...well, I could go on for quite a while here. In that sense, the Lib Dems of the 90's they certainly are not!
 
AuroRaman said:
Thank you Chich. I can appreciate where you are coming from with regards to the notion that UKIP are this political era's Lib Dems. A good analogy. I still cannot abide by the laughable views of many of their members that have come to light (which Farage tried to brush off as a couple of idiots and turned out not to be the case), plus their hypocrisy over Europe (expenses claimed compared to actual attendance etc), their links and memberships to groups in the UK and across Europe with extremist views and...well, I could go on for quite a while here. In that sense, the Lib Dems of the 90's they certainly are not!
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UKIP's policies on gay marriage, wind turbines and expanding the armed forces are the complete opposite views to my own.

They do have some good policies for example the idea of every town having a grammar school. But as Scara points out it is easy for a minority party to come up with a good idea but harder for them to follow it through when faced with the realities of government as the Lib Dems have found out.

The was a really good article in the Sunday Times about grammar schools and how they are now more non white pupils in them including a story about a single mother from Somali who worked hard to help her son get into one. A credit to the country that lady is, I would hope that would help to dispel the myth that grammar schools are in some way elitist.

The link is here but I think you need to pay to read it all http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/Education/article1484362.ece
 
glorygloryeze said:
Can someone please explain to me why Conservatives supporters would be much less open about their support for the party/their politics??

I simply don't get that at all...
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Mainly because most large c Conservatives also tend to be small c conservatives. I've drawn a little graph comparing shoutiness to political opinion, no mocking, I spent a lot of time on it.

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Gilzeantoscore said:
BTW Trots were those who broke along with Trotsky after he was expelled from the USSR. They adhere to a view that for socialism to succeed it must be based on International revolution, whereas the Stalinists believed in state socialism. George Orwell was a Trot. He fought with a Trot military unit in the Spanish Civil War POUM (Party of United Marxism.)
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I doubt that anyone contributing to this thread is unaware of that. Trot is simply a useful, derogatory term for people from the end of the political scale that ignores/cannot understand economics.
 
the dza said:
:lol: You could well be right.

But I think that the centre-ground voters, the pussies with no balls who decide elections, they will prefer what Milliband has to say than what Cameron has to say. They won't be going to Ukip. The more right-wing Tories will just get angry listening to DC, and get all wet and moist for Farage. The fantasists on the left (like myself) might vote Green, not vote, or vote for Milliband depending on what he has to say. I do think that the debates will only harm Cameron, which is why he isn't too keen on them.
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I can't see UKIP getting that many votes in a real election - that's why polls can be so unpredictable. It's easy to answer the question "if there was a general election tomorrow....." with the answer UKIP, it's not so easy to actually face the prospect of UKIP having an influence in forming a government. If, by some act of idiocy on the part of the Conservatives, UKIP do manage to get that proportion of the vote then I doubt they would have anything to do with a Labour coalition - Labour probably couldn't find a majority even if they are the largest party.

The Conservatives haven't been playing the "Vote UKIP, get Milibland" line yet as they haven't had to. If they can successfully get the message across then that vote will come back to them in an election.
 
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