glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
Can i ask: what symptoms do they have?
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Can i ask: what symptoms do they have?
nayenezgani
Jimmy Neighbour
Mikey10
Pat van den Hauwe
...and all the people currently in ICUs on ventilators, and those receiving other help to breathe, are actors.
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
Well, i've talked before about the numbers. We always have numbers of people in hospital for respiratory ilnesses at this time of year. We also always have talk about winter crises, bed issues, flu deaths etc.
As i say, i do believe there is covid-19 viruses and deaths due to it. But also remember we tests (using the great PCR) anyone who is admitted to hospital....so those on ICU beds might be there for flu and other respiratory diseases as well, but we don't focus so much on testing for those (certainly not using PCRs anyway...)
However, as i say the actions in response (putting people under extended house arrest, shutting down many businesses that involve normal human interaction etc) are what i'm talking about..
milo
Jack L. Jones
Can you post links to any first hand sources for that?
awesome dawson
Mitchell Thomas
My fiancée’s family (4 of them) all have it in Washington DC, they seem ok but it well and truly ruined the festive period. Biggest risk is if her grandfather caught it from one of them in the early days of being infected. He’s about 90 and doesn’t understand the risk to himself so isn’t even wearing a mask properly or washing his hands. Not sure if others in the US have the same experience but just getting tested costs $150 which seems crazy to me. Tests are free here in Melbourne and quite quick. Trump is handing Biden and absolute sh!tshow. The post Xmas death toll will be horrendous.
johnola
Mauricio Taricco
I think you are great fella but that is so stupid and depressingly smalltime.
Nothing in my life’s experience suggests that such a malignant force is at work at any level above some obviously flawed individuals.
milo
Jack L. Jones
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
Sure.
https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/07/klaus-schwab-nature-jobs-great-reset-podcast/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...e-to-reset-global-economy-says-prince-charles
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/archive/fourth-industrial-revolution
Referencing Ida Auken, a Danish MP, who wrote key articles around this for the WEF site:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/worlde...ifferently-well-live-in-2030/?sh=1b5f7ffd1735
https://www.independent.co.uk/money/why-you-ll-own-nothing-2030-a7582111.html
Again, some more material not available on official WEF site anymore funnily enough:
https://archive.is/4pD4X
https://archive.is/YEM6E
I suspect that the reason the above two were pulled was because of the statement on the USA not being the dominant force anymore...possibly got too many people questioning imo..
Some very interesting commentary by Sky News Australia:
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
Why thank you!
See my links i posted to @milo
Then look at who have been the winners and losers in this pandemic from an economics POV, then also look at the affiliated companies of the World Economics Forum: https://www.weforum.org/partners/#search
May i also point you in the direction of Professor Klaus Schwab, the founder of the WEF: https://www.weforum.org/about/klaus-schwab/
This is an example of the kind of thinking he has regarding The Fourth Industrial Revolution aka The Great Reset:
milo
Jack L. Jones
Thanks.
This appears to be calls for economic rebuilding after a generational event with a massive impact. Nothing unusual there or reason to think that governments are intentionally mishandling Covid-19 to accelerate change. Most countries are trying to contain or eliminate the disease, with varying degrees of success. If they really were using it "to speed up the process of societal change to this end" you would see a very different and more consistent approach.
Like with most conspiracy theories, it falls down on the level of competence required to execute it. We are seeing mistake after mistake in most countries try to deal with a deadly disease and rapidly changing situations.
With regards to the deadliness of Covid-19. I'd suggest reading reputable scientific papers. There is little argument now that it kills around 1% of people who catch it and that uncontained, this gets to very big numbers,very quickly.
I'd recommend avoiding Sky Australia. It is akin to Fox News and has a lot of crank content.
nayenezgani
Jimmy Neighbour
@glorygloryeze I think you're mistaking general, conceptual discussion for some grandiose, sinister master plan.
You're adding 2+2 and getting potato.
You're adding 2+2 and getting potato.
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
1. There were calls for this economic rebuilding long BEFORE covid-19 (i assume you are referring to that as your 'generational event' here). I posit that this covid-19 situation is being used to try and accelerate such 'rebuilding': Schwab says it is 'a great opportunity that should not be missed' openly
2. "Intentionally mishandling" is a subjective term; we certainly can see that many are intentonally imposing very draconian lockdowns (or 'lock-steps" as they are referred to in Rockefeller scenario documents from 10 years or so ago: https://www.nommeraadio.ee/meedia/pdf/RRS/Rockefeller Foundation.pdf). Using mass lockdowns as part of infection control has only this year been a thing and was not previously recommended by World Health experts. Lots of scientists are saying they are causing more harm overall than good after the first times they were used, yet they are being consistently used by a lot of countries with a few key exceptions. They are now clearly more about population control rather than infection control (even the WHO say repeated use of them alone as a tactic is flawed).
3. What 'competence' is required to implement lockdowns anyway? As an example, we have seen Ireland constantly impose lockdowns of sorts since the summer on an ongoing basis even though their numbers are very very small: it's like their government is hooked on them like a druggie would be on cocaine.Again. so many countries are using it...even those who were lauded for 'acting early and hard' have reverted to imposing lockdowns and ever more tighter societal controls, seemingly just because and these do not look like 'mistakes' at all.
In Ireland, like here, they have mothballed their 'Nightingale Centres', almost like they are actually not needed and the worry over how bad the virus is actually being highly exaggerated....
4. There are reputable scientific papers who question the continued lockdowns, the use of PCRs to mass test people and also identify deaths, e.g. in the UK, how do we identify in the numbers those who died directly because of the virus and those who tested positive to the virus a few weeks before dying of something totally different (e. a stroke, being a victim of a car accident, someone on cancer palliative care etc). The UK system of counting the deaths is certainly an area of incompetence imo, and PHE already were forced to adjust how they counted the deaths back in the summer; the current system is still wishy-washy (with the emphasis more on inflating the numbers) when you look into it.
There are reputable scientists like Carl Heneghan and Michael Yeadon raising such points around the numbers and our fear associated with them...
5. Sky Australia or whoever reports on such: it's about the detail being presented and how that is debunked, not the media outlet etc that is mentioning it. When reputable Scientists like Heneghan are labelled as 'spreading fake news' well anyone can get that label. Like with football discussion, it's about paying the ball not the man...
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glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
They are indeed spending billions and their mates are mostly pocketing said billions.
They are certainly committed to it as this government website says (https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-4th-industrial-revolution) and some would say their approach re lockdowns and furlough etc is more like Corbyn than Corbyn himself (T4IR looks like a societal revamp that he certainly would support).
When they leave office it would likely be a situation whereby the next government will have to work extremely hard to reverse some of the momentum being started at present imo
johnola
Mauricio Taricco
I make no apology. I’ve seen this policy framework presented as a conspiracy theory elsewhere too.
The wef are an economic think tank. They have sketched a coherent roadmap to help policy makers consider the direction of travel for the greatest benefit. Well, so they should.
What bothers me then is that any rational mind would immediately attribute the response to the pandemic as part of that roadmap, given the harm it does.
The insinuation is that this roadmap to build back better is to be implemented whilst treating humanity as so much disposable collateral.
As if it is a policy for monsters for the benefit of those monsters. It’s not, it’s just the way the world works.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Do all the anti lockdown protestors subscribe to this conspiracy theory?
