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Oh... Dempsey will make peace with whoever...
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Christian Benteke
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Oh... Dempsey will make peace with whoever...
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indianspur
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has he signed yet???
Nigeyman
Chris Armstrong
:ross: Good day to all you Benteke lovers out there..............ahhhhhhhhhhhh I love the smell of transfer rumours in the morning.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Greg Stobart on twitter (https://twitter.com/gstobart) in response to "To your understanding is anything at all happening with Benteke?"
If we're playing 'The Levy Waiting Game (tm)' with Benteke I hope we're going for other strikers too.
If we're playing 'The Levy Waiting Game (tm)' with Benteke I hope we're going for other strikers too.
clevelandspur
Pascal Chimbonda
This is going to drag on to deadline day. Combining Levy business dealings with Villa's history of getting top money for their assets ugh...
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indianspur
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we are going to have to look at others because Benteke will not come cheap, not less than 25 mill....if Levy thinks that is "way too expensive", the its best to walk away right now
how can a price like that be way too expensive when we just paid 17 mill for a midfielder...
braineclipse
Willie Hall
What are you basing your opinion on Paulinho on?
I don't understand your logic here. What if the midfielder is much better than the striker? Why are relative prices important?
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indianspur
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i think we overpaid for Paulinho. He is a good player but 17 mill is excessive imo. So if we can be so profligate with him, why is Benteke "way too expensive" at the rumoured 25 mill when he is a striker (who tend to cost more), is still young and has had a successful season in the PL. What, does Levy want to pay lets say 15 mill for him?
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indianspur
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last summer we signed Sigurdsson, a goal scoring midlfielder, the new Frank Lampard according to many, for 7 mill. A year later, we sign Paulinho, a goal scoring midfielder, the new new Frank Lampard apparently, for 17 mill. I find it strange and wasteful
Nigeyman
Chris Armstrong
Its a hefty investment but perhaps it would be wise to view the lad after 10 games or so and then we can make early assumptions as to whether 17m is excessive for Paulie.......my point yesterday in view of raising objections to the benteke price is that people seem to be accepting of 17m for a player they watched once or twice in the confederations cup compared to a player we have had a decent look at for one season. Would love the guy and I would pay it but I cant see Levy going to 25m and I would also hope we have other targets to call on..........not Damaio though.....
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Too early to say if 17mil is excessive for Paulinho or not. For all we know it could be the best 17mil we've ever spent, and anyway there is no correlation between the money spent on Paulinho and that money we will spend on a striker. The only connection would be that our resources are finite and spending more in one area means less to spend in another.
If the rumours are to be believed and we are not interested in Benteke then it is quite understandable. He's a pricey option and if the opinions on this board are in any way indicative of the opinions in the club, then maybe they're just not 100% convinced he's the right man for the job.
If the rumours are to be believed and we are not interested in Benteke then it is quite understandable. He's a pricey option and if the opinions on this board are in any way indicative of the opinions in the club, then maybe they're just not 100% convinced he's the right man for the job.
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Benteke can kick and scream all he wants but Villa WON'T sell him for a penny below £25m... Lerner won't let them
By NEIL MOXLEY
PUBLISHED: 10:16 GMT, 11 July 2013 | UPDATED: 10:16 GMT, 11 July 2013
I cannot claim to know Randy Lerner well.
Despite having covered Aston Villa since the day the billionaire bought it from Doug Ellis seven years ago, we have met but a few times.
Normally, at his press briefings which, before the Alex McLeish debacle, took place on an annual basis.
There was a time in Reykjavic, Iceland, where we spent a few minutes chatting.
But apart from that I haven't spent too much time in his company. No-one in the media has, to the best of my knowledge.
It's not the way he rolls.
However, I do speak to people that know Mr Lerner. If I need to know what he thinks, I can get through to him.
But I do have first-hand experience of his work. I have watched the manner in which he has run his football club since 2006.
And I can tell you one thing for an absolute stone-cold certainty.
If Lerner says Christian Benteke isn't going to leave Aston Villa for a penny less than £25m, then he won't.
Tottenham, the player, his agent and Uncle Tom Cobley can try as they might - but if they think they can engineer a move away from Lerner's club - Daniel Levy had better think again.
The price is £25m - and if Spurs' chairman offers that - Benteke will leave.
But Lerner is bloody-minded enough to play any game that Eris Kismet, the player's agent, fancies starting.
And Benteke's former teacher has just rolled the dice by instructing his client to hand in a transfer request.
Bear in mind at this stage, Lerner is a bloke who was told not to bother renovating the famous Holte pub. That he would never see a return on his £4m investment.
No matter. He wanted it done. He wanted it done as a gesture.
So, he went ahead and did it anyway.
He was told not to bother chasing McLeish by pretty much everyone.
He did it.
With regards to players agitating to get away, he has previous in this respect. He stood firm when Liverpool, then of the Champions League, were chasing Gareth Barry.
Villa told us the price they wanted for their midfielder - £18m. It wasn't met.
Despite Rafa Benitez's best efforts, it didn't happen. Barry returned, his reputation slightly tarnished by the episode.
Moreover, before the erstwhile New York lawyer became Villa's owner, there was a tale doing the rounds from when he was in charge of Cleveland Browns.
The American was upset over the manner in which a local radio station covered an issue involving his family.
Result? He withdrew his sponsorship. It cost the radio station hundreds of thousands of dollars in advertising revenue.
(At this juncture, I'm not getting into an argument over media ethics, I'm trying to make a point.)
Villa remain relaxed about the situation. In fact, there is a feeling that Benteke and his agent have played right into the club's hands.
Faulkner attended a meeting with Benteke once the season had finished, offering - in principle - a pay rise.
There was a condition - that the player added an extra year to his agreement with them.
With three seasons left, Villa weren't about to hand over a massive pay hike to the 22-year-old just because a striker they had bought in as a relative unknown had enjoyed a very good season.
Why should they?
And now Benteke - who, incredibly, spent five days in Turkey with his agent on holiday - has asked to leave.
It has ticked all the boxes as far as the club is concerned.
They have made a move to keep him and now they are cast firmly in the role of the good guys.
We have seen that manager Paul Lambert is certainly bloody-minded enough to court controversy - his alienation of several senior players is evidence of that.
But his assertion that anyone who wants to leave can find the exit door, pronto, has been shown up to be about as water-tight as Villa's defence.
You see, Lambert will make an exception for 23-goal-a-season strikers.
(And, of course, he's right to do so - just don't say it in the first place.)
As for Benteke, what's he to do?
Throw a strop? Not bother training? Withdraw his labour?
In one sense Villa are fortunate because the whole landscape of this would change were it not for the fact that Belgium are more than likely going to be heading to the World Cup next year.
They have an embarrassment of riches in the striking department at present - and Benteke is hot-to-trot.
But were he not then Romelu Lukaku might be offered his place. The qualifiers in Group A start again in two months' time.
By not playing, Benteke risks all of that.
It's likely he will be welcomed back into the Villa fold if he keeps his head down and gets on with it.
However, if there is a constant drip-feed of agitation, the picture will change.
At this stage, Benteke doesn't really have too many options. For once, the club holds the whip hand.
If he refuses to play, he jeopardises the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to go to Brazil with a team that has half-a-chance of doing something in South America.
If he refuses to play, Lambert will also sideline him. And the manager will have Lerner's backing. And that of the Holte End, now, too.
Villa don't want any players that Tottenham deem surplus, either, so that's a non-starter. An exception could be made for that bloke...whasisname? Bale?
Lerner has instructed chief executive Paul Faulkner to issue the message that Villa won't be bullied into selling Benteke.
Which, given past evidence, does mean exactly that.
So, Christian, what's it to be?
Better get your head down, son.
Let me tell you - your scrap with an upset billionaire is not one you're going to win.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...sell-Christian-Benteke-25m.html#ixzz2Yk1H7eVU
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
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pretty much spot on
By NEIL MOXLEY
PUBLISHED: 10:16 GMT, 11 July 2013 | UPDATED: 10:16 GMT, 11 July 2013
I cannot claim to know Randy Lerner well.
Despite having covered Aston Villa since the day the billionaire bought it from Doug Ellis seven years ago, we have met but a few times.
Normally, at his press briefings which, before the Alex McLeish debacle, took place on an annual basis.
There was a time in Reykjavic, Iceland, where we spent a few minutes chatting.
But apart from that I haven't spent too much time in his company. No-one in the media has, to the best of my knowledge.
It's not the way he rolls.
However, I do speak to people that know Mr Lerner. If I need to know what he thinks, I can get through to him.
But I do have first-hand experience of his work. I have watched the manner in which he has run his football club since 2006.
And I can tell you one thing for an absolute stone-cold certainty.
If Lerner says Christian Benteke isn't going to leave Aston Villa for a penny less than £25m, then he won't.
Tottenham, the player, his agent and Uncle Tom Cobley can try as they might - but if they think they can engineer a move away from Lerner's club - Daniel Levy had better think again.
The price is £25m - and if Spurs' chairman offers that - Benteke will leave.
But Lerner is bloody-minded enough to play any game that Eris Kismet, the player's agent, fancies starting.
And Benteke's former teacher has just rolled the dice by instructing his client to hand in a transfer request.
Bear in mind at this stage, Lerner is a bloke who was told not to bother renovating the famous Holte pub. That he would never see a return on his £4m investment.
No matter. He wanted it done. He wanted it done as a gesture.
So, he went ahead and did it anyway.
He was told not to bother chasing McLeish by pretty much everyone.
He did it.
With regards to players agitating to get away, he has previous in this respect. He stood firm when Liverpool, then of the Champions League, were chasing Gareth Barry.
Villa told us the price they wanted for their midfielder - £18m. It wasn't met.
Despite Rafa Benitez's best efforts, it didn't happen. Barry returned, his reputation slightly tarnished by the episode.
Moreover, before the erstwhile New York lawyer became Villa's owner, there was a tale doing the rounds from when he was in charge of Cleveland Browns.
The American was upset over the manner in which a local radio station covered an issue involving his family.
Result? He withdrew his sponsorship. It cost the radio station hundreds of thousands of dollars in advertising revenue.
(At this juncture, I'm not getting into an argument over media ethics, I'm trying to make a point.)
Villa remain relaxed about the situation. In fact, there is a feeling that Benteke and his agent have played right into the club's hands.
Faulkner attended a meeting with Benteke once the season had finished, offering - in principle - a pay rise.
There was a condition - that the player added an extra year to his agreement with them.
With three seasons left, Villa weren't about to hand over a massive pay hike to the 22-year-old just because a striker they had bought in as a relative unknown had enjoyed a very good season.
Why should they?
And now Benteke - who, incredibly, spent five days in Turkey with his agent on holiday - has asked to leave.
It has ticked all the boxes as far as the club is concerned.
They have made a move to keep him and now they are cast firmly in the role of the good guys.
We have seen that manager Paul Lambert is certainly bloody-minded enough to court controversy - his alienation of several senior players is evidence of that.
But his assertion that anyone who wants to leave can find the exit door, pronto, has been shown up to be about as water-tight as Villa's defence.
You see, Lambert will make an exception for 23-goal-a-season strikers.
(And, of course, he's right to do so - just don't say it in the first place.)
As for Benteke, what's he to do?
Throw a strop? Not bother training? Withdraw his labour?
In one sense Villa are fortunate because the whole landscape of this would change were it not for the fact that Belgium are more than likely going to be heading to the World Cup next year.
They have an embarrassment of riches in the striking department at present - and Benteke is hot-to-trot.
But were he not then Romelu Lukaku might be offered his place. The qualifiers in Group A start again in two months' time.
By not playing, Benteke risks all of that.
It's likely he will be welcomed back into the Villa fold if he keeps his head down and gets on with it.
However, if there is a constant drip-feed of agitation, the picture will change.
At this stage, Benteke doesn't really have too many options. For once, the club holds the whip hand.
If he refuses to play, he jeopardises the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to go to Brazil with a team that has half-a-chance of doing something in South America.
If he refuses to play, Lambert will also sideline him. And the manager will have Lerner's backing. And that of the Holte End, now, too.
Villa don't want any players that Tottenham deem surplus, either, so that's a non-starter. An exception could be made for that bloke...whasisname? Bale?
Lerner has instructed chief executive Paul Faulkner to issue the message that Villa won't be bullied into selling Benteke.
Which, given past evidence, does mean exactly that.
So, Christian, what's it to be?
Better get your head down, son.
Let me tell you - your scrap with an upset billionaire is not one you're going to win.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...sell-Christian-Benteke-25m.html#ixzz2Yk1H7eVU
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
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pretty much spot on
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indianspur
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pretty much looks like it
greatwhitenorf
Vedran Corluka
Good article by Moxley, a reliable, credible veteran writer.
If Benteke is serious about leaving, it could give Spurs a great amount of leverage in negotiating his salary, making the overall financial equation palatable.
If his salary is kept low the first year - we could easily afford to double it and make it incentive-laden for team achievement - rising should he play well and we make CL, then Benteke will see the wealth he's pursuing and we'd see good value for the investment.
If Benteke is serious about leaving, it could give Spurs a great amount of leverage in negotiating his salary, making the overall financial equation palatable.
If his salary is kept low the first year - we could easily afford to double it and make it incentive-laden for team achievement - rising should he play well and we make CL, then Benteke will see the wealth he's pursuing and we'd see good value for the investment.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
Come on, that's clearly a Villa mouthpiece trying to swing the episode into their favour and ensure they get their price.
To be honest, I think we'll pay it. I can't believe Levy would think Villa would be scared enough into reducing the price just because he handed in a request - after all if he resists Modric, why wouldn't Villa resist Benteke?
I think there is a bit of posturing, maybe try and get some exchange deals in to the value of what Villa want, but ultimately, we will pay it. There's not really a better option out there. I just can't believe Levy hasn't played this out in his head, and that the deal hasn't really been in the works for months. Everyone is just playing out their role, everything knows what's what. He can't seriously think Villa will drop their price too much, especially considering their previous with Milner, Downing.
