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Biased BBC

Leeds Spur said:
Taxes - Are fair, the rich should pay more as they earn more. Although I would have a flat tax as it's fairer!

Corporations - Banks are corporations right? A lack of regulation worked well there didn't it?! Government should be concerned with SAFETY...we need strong regulators to stop corporate greed overiding the need to do the right thing. I believe health and safety at work and other HR based regulations are job killers.

Benefits - Pensioners and the disabled should have their payments increased!! They truly need the money. Fit 21 year old men should not EVER get benefit. They should take ANY job that they can get. I'll point to the number of foreign workers doing the low paid manual jobs in this country, such as picking fruit and veg, (mainly eastern europeans) that these men could do.

People who pretend to be disabled, (the number claiming incapacity benefit DOUBLED under the last Labour government) :) !!!! are scum in my eyes. People with 10 fudging kids who can't support them and STILL keep having more are scum, yes 100% We spend ?ú200 BILLION a year on the welfare state, twice the NHS budget and the single largest area of expenditure. You wanna defend scum, good for you.

So in summary....you don't have a fudging clue what my beliefs are or aren't.........I would venture you're quite young? Probably a student? Probaly still living at home, smoke weed, no ambition, thinks the world owes you a living but in fact you're just a failure who can't handle the real world and competition.

But that would be unfair though wouldn't it?
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OK, briefly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_state Look at the list by country. We are very middle-of-the-road when it comes to welfare spending.

Tax evasion: http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...jNWxCg&usg=AFQjCNELnifVhHa4LgA0RdTVe-1GyJx7Sw

Sorry for the long link, hopefully it works. Look at page 4. We lose US$110billion per year from tax evasion. Yes, that is less than the welfare budget, but that 200billion is an investment, of which a small percentage will be abused by people cheating the system.

Regarding your views on me; I assume you're being facetious because you thought I was. You asked for a general description of right wing ideologies, and I gave it to you and stated I don't know your views personally. Yes I'm a student, a PhD student doing frontline scientific research, which is proven to pay returns of 300% of whatever the government funds. I don't live at home and I don't smoke weed, and I have plenty of ambition which will lead to me being a Dr in hopefully less than one year.
 
BedfordBen said:
I know it's impossible to tar people with the same brush, and nobody fully subscribes to one party's views, but I'll give a go at defining in general right-wing philosophy:

- Taxes are robbery (I'm pretty sure someone on here has said that verbatim at some point). I earn my money fairly and the government has no right to take it off me to pay for people who don't work as hard.

- Corporations should be allowed to operate as they like, since they bring business to our country and hence jobs and prosperity. More regulation means they will leave us for other countries and we will all suffer as a nation.

- Benefit cheats and scroungers are scum. They live off our hard earned taxes and drag our economy into the ground.

I guess that pretty much sums up what I believe a lot of right wing people think. I apologise if this is not you, but it's certainly the impression you guys generally give on here (to me at least).
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I cannot think of a single person I know that thinks in the way you have just described, left or right, and it just shows how blinkered you are to right wing politics. The Benefit "Cheats" bit is spot on, that's why they are cheats. That doesn't mean that the right of centre doesn't believe in a welfare state. It's actually a very clever tool of the left to intimate that if you support personal growth and gain, you must then also abhore the idea of welfare. This is complete nonsense.

What do I want (bearing in mind that in the UK I lean to the right, no so in other countries though)?

- I want politicians to be held accountable for the taxes they take from me. If money is being spent poorly, the answer is not to tax me more money, it is to spend the money they already receive more efficiently. Labour wasted BILLIONS during their last three terms and yet managed to improve practically nothing... The North East, their heartland no less, was not regenerated; the health service was not improved; infrastructure was not improved; higher education was dummed down and cynically used to hide youth unemployment figures etc.

- I want politicians to encourage growth of our economy and encourage growth of the private sector, which is the REAL generator of money. I do not want the government to create thousands of non-jobs to keep their voters happy (see North East).

- I want SME's, the absolute blood line of the economy, to receive proper backing and stimulus. Not treated with disdain as some irritating child who needs to be appeased every so often.

Outside of the sociopathic RahRah gimps you meet every so often in the city, I know very few people that would disagree with taxation, but it has to be reasonable and it has to be spent properly. I also know of very few people that disagree with regulation, it was Gordon Brown who set up the FSA, it was his policies that allowed banking to run away with itself the way it did. Talk all you want about precursors, but them's the facts. In addition, I cannot think of a single person who doesn't shudder at the levels of tax avoidance that Apple, for instance, has gotten away with.

The philosophy of the right, broadly speaking and imo, is a will for self control and self management. Not of bricking on people from a great height. Let the state control the affairs in subjects that need centralised intervention and leave everything else to better, more qualified professionals.
 
Leeds Spur said:
More evidence today.

See the headline here?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18106848

'The taxpayer could lose about ?ú2bn once the assets of collapsed bank Northern Rock are wound down, the public spending watchdog has estimated'

In actual fact we will get all the money back and this ?ú2 billion is actually an opportunity cost, so we could notionally have made more money in other investments if the money had been spent elsewhere.

Robert Peston alludes to it in his blog, but still doesn't clearly point it out:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18108630

His headline is , 'How serious is the ?ú2 billion Northern Rock loss'........when they aren't losing any money and David Cameron's asertion that we will get all of our money back and more is factually correct.

Agenda? YOU fudging BET.

I'll update this regularly with more examples.
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The update on this story is that if the bank had been called Southern Rock, and was headquartered in Guildford then there was not a hope that the Labour govt would have bailed it out. Another blatant example of the champagne socialists buying their voters.....
 
BedfordBen said:
OK, briefly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_state Look at the list by country. We are very middle-of-the-road when it comes to welfare spending.

Tax evasion: http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...jNWxCg&usg=AFQjCNELnifVhHa4LgA0RdTVe-1GyJx7Sw

Sorry for the long link, hopefully it works. Look at page 4. We lose US$110billion per year from tax evasion. Yes, that is less than the welfare budget, but that 200billion is an investment, of which a small percentage will be abused by people cheating the system.

Regarding your views on me; I assume you're being facetious because you thought I was. You asked for a general description of right wing ideologies, and I gave it to you and stated I don't know your views personally. Yes I'm a student, a PhD student doing frontline scientific research, which is proven to pay returns of 300% of whatever the government funds. I don't live at home and I don't smoke weed, and I have plenty of ambition which will lead to me being a Dr in hopefully less than one year.
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Yes I was being facetious.

And a Phd student using Wiki for sources? Oh deary me.

That ?ú110 billion figure is utter gonad*s. If the government REALLY believed they could go out and get an extra ?ú110 billion and balance the budget without any cuts don't you think they would do it?? :) :) :)

Yeah, they must just LOVE being this unpopular right?

Do me a favour.
 
And given the size of our population the only countries that spend more than us are the likes of Ssweden and Finland, with 8 million and 4 million people.......Welfare can work on a small scale, not with 63 million people.
 
So what is your Phd on? SInce we are all funding your research?

You're not going to be a REAL doctor though are you? :)
 
Yossarian said:
The point that the BBC's apologists miss every time is this.

No one is compelled by law to pay for Sky, The Telegraph or any other media provider.

If you own a television set in the UK you are required to fund the BBC, whether you watch it or not.

Given the blatant pro Labour, EU, Islam and CAGW bias that the BBC demonstrates all of the time, it should be forced to rely on subscriptions. If it's as great as it clearly thinks it is, the BBC should have no problem finding enough subscribers to support it.

I won't be one of them.
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Agree with this.

I would only pay for my regional news as I fancy the bird that does the weather.
 
southstand1882 said:
It tells me that there are alot of people not working in the North and Wales
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A footnote to this.....regarding Wales.

I know it is only one example, but..........for years the Welsh have been ensconced in the welfare state, and work was a dirty word (am trying not to generalise too much, so any Welsh spurs please don't be offended).

So, when a new big name employer opens in the area, it is initially very difficult to attract staff, as they are so used to claiming instead of working.
This was proven when my missus company opened a new call center down in Swansea. Recruitment was tough, and turnover started out quite high.

Over a year on, and people are starting to realise the benefits of working for an acclaimed company like this, and suddenly there is far more interest, and people are starting to climb the work ladder again.

I think it will take a lot more than one company, but if firms persist, I'm sure they can change the mindset of years of benefit living.
 
Crawley said:
A footnote to this.....regarding Wales.

I know it is only one example, but..........for years the Welsh have been ensconced in the welfare state, and work was a dirty word (am trying not to generalise too much, so any Welsh spurs please don't be offended).

So, when a new big name employer opens in the area, it is initially very difficult to attract staff, as they are so used to claiming instead of working.
This was proven when my missus company opened a new call center down in Swansea. Recruitment was tough, and turnover started out quite high.

Over a year on, and people are starting to realise the benefits of working for an acclaimed company like this, and suddenly there is far more interest, and people are starting to climb the work ladder again.

I think it will take a lot more than one company, but if firms persist, I'm sure they can change the mindset of years of benefit living.
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This is why they want to bring in regional pay for the public sector.

a) Those in the south would get a bump so we would stop the 'brain drain' of public sector professionals away from London for a better quality of life.

b) It would stop the distortion of the local labour market. A receptionist in local government would earn between ?ú17k and ?ú23k.......try finding that kind of money in the private sector! :)
 
Crawley said:
A footnote to this.....regarding Wales.

I know it is only one example, but..........for years the Welsh have been ensconced in the welfare state, and work was a dirty word (am trying not to generalise too much, so any Welsh spurs please don't be offended).

So, when a new big name employer opens in the area, it is initially very difficult to attract staff, as they are so used to claiming instead of working.
This was proven when my missus company opened a new call center down in Swansea. Recruitment was tough, and turnover started out quite high.

Over a year on, and people are starting to realise the benefits of working for an acclaimed company like this, and suddenly there is far more interest, and people are starting to climb the work ladder again.

I think it will take a lot more than one company, but if firms persist, I'm sure they can change the mindset of years of benefit living.
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Most of my family live there (although I'm not welsh)

None of them work :D

There aren't many businesses where they live, but they wouldn't work anyway.

I have about 25 or so uncles, cousins, nieces and nephews, and their entire lives have been funded by the taxpayer.

One has even made it to Uni now, so for nearly 2 decades they've been propped up by the taxpayer.

I vote Tory because I know first hand how the system works. And I've been paying tax every month since I was 16, without fail.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Still biased. Your froth at the mouth at some of the "biased articles" in the Guardian, but when it's from one of your beloved tory papers, it's ok.
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No. Its expected from the guardian

We are talking about the IMPARTIAL, tax payer funded BBC

Seriously, don't bother posting if you don't understand the issue
 
The Guardian know their readership well. They pander to it. Good for them, (making massive losses mind) the BBC is state funded and as such should be impartial. It is most definitely not
 
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