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Ben Davies
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According to those stats, not much better at all.
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Rose Davies
1897 2874
90s Pd 21.08 31.93
Aer 27 53
Per90 1.28 1.66
Int 44 63
Per90 2.09 1.97
Blo 8 11
Per90 0.38 0.34
Def Err 3 1
Per90 0.14 0.03
Err Gl 1 0
Per90 0.05 0.00
Tac 46 59
Per90 2.18 1.85
Goa 1 2
Per90 0.05 0.06
Cle 77 130
Per90 3.65 4.07Better on defensive errors, but we all know Rose is terrible for that.
Only stat where he really shows as better is clearances/90 although I don't quite know how a clearance is defined. Is it a pass to a DM just outside the danger area? Is it a hoof upfield in the old English "Get it clear" style?
braineclipse
Willie Hall
I think that goes without saying.
It's true that younger players aren't always going do develop and fulfill their potential. And it's true that some players in their mid twenties go on to develop into much better players after a couple of years. In general though younger players are more likely to develop.
I really don't think stats like those to compare players directly are all that useful as I think a lot of those will vary with playing style of the team and the team mates playing around those players.
If a full back is offered little protection his tackles per game number is likely going to go up, doesn't mean that he's any better. If a full back is offered little protection his errors leading to goal will probably go up, doesn't mean that he's worse.
I don't know enough about Davies to say one way or the other. Whenever I've seen him he's looked good, he has age on his side, he's proven in the PL and he's shown himself capable in a team playing a high possession fairly attacking style that isn't all too dissimilar to what Poch is likely to want with us. If he's available at £8m that seems like a solid deal to me, but I'm essentially reverting to a "in Poch we trust" approach like metalgear and many others.
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indianspur
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But apparently we have been looking at Davies for a long while, so it should be a ' in Spurs scouts we trust ' which isn't always the easiest thing to say.
Of course we can trust in Poch to make Davies better
Of course we can trust in Poch to make Davies better
braineclipse
Willie Hall
But apparently we have been looking at Davies for a long while, so it should be a ' in Spurs scouts we trust ' which isn't always the easiest thing to say.
Of course we can trust in Poch to make Davies better
Don't really buy that line of reasoning. If we sign him I think Poch will at least have said "yes, please!"
He's a PL player and has been for a couple of seasons, he's young and talented and at a club we can sign good player from. If our scouts weren't well aware of him and hadn't done extensive work looking at his strengths and weaknesses it would have been ridiculous.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
What is Davies like compared to Luke Shaw on this stat thingys?
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indianspur
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I didn't say that Poch wouldn't want him, just that he is a name that the club has been looking at before Poch arrived. Just like Dembele, Verts and Sig were eyed up before AVB arrived.
I'm sure Poch is OK with the potential signing
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indianspur
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Its like at Utd, they have been after Shaw and Herrera since last summer when Moyes was in charge and now they have LVG they still signed the two. I think clubs these days identify targets and hope that whoever the manager is in charge will agree to the deals.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Why wouldn't we compare a potential signing to our existing first choice player in that position?
Not sure Rose would be happy with staying if Davies is made first choice, he's been pretty clear about wanting first team football in the past.
Why then shouldn't we trust Poch on this?
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indianspur
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I said that we should trust in him improving the player......... like he did with many at Southampton. What is the problem, as I've said clubs these days present managers with potential targets, manager selects who he wants from the list, and if he gets a player he then proceeds with the job of integrating him into his side.
Rather that than the manager calling his favorite agent and asking him who he's got that's available.
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indianspur
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braineclipse
Willie Hall
So why isn't trusting Poch on a player whose been a regular in the league he's been working in for the last season and a half to select Ben Davies from that list of potential targets fair enough?
I said I would defer to trusting Poch on this, you're the one saying there's a problem with that and that I have to trust the Spurs scouts instead.
Rossi22
Pedro Mendes
Why wouldnt you use stats? As I just said they arent everything, but believe it or not you dont see everything a Spurs player does and even when you do things are forgotten as football is so busy....
braineclipse
Willie Hall
What does those stats tell you then and why?
No, they don't. Infact, the key stats for a left-back/defender for me, the defensive errors stats are all in Davies' favour. As well as successful passes, which are significantly in Davies' favour.
What that tells me is that the stand out stats that you can put down to the individual rather than the way the team sets up and plays, the passing accuracy and defensive errors (by the individual) are in Davies' favour.