Rob
Peter Taylor
We do kinda constantly shout the Y word...
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Assou-Ekotto
- Thread starter Jurgen the German
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We do kinda constantly shout the Y word...
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
He really wasn't. He said "Je Suis Charlie Coulibaly". Which means he relates to both from my reading. That's all he said. He was arrested for it. It could be construed as hate speech. I think it comes under free speech according to the standards which people are demanding. But hey, why would their be consistency.
I dislike the guy and I dislike the Quenelle but his arrest shocked me in this instance.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
How is that not support for the terrorist Coulibaly who murdered 4 jewish people?
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
It isn't. He said he was Charlie. A magazine he disagreed with but believed in his free speech. He said he was Coulibaly. A young man brain washed and angry, he disagreed with him but felt for him as he is a reflection of what is happening in society. His statement was in no way condoning the killing of them poor people in the supermarket. It was an attempt at eloquence which cost him his freedom.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
What a crock of ****.
There no need to defend him at all costs he doesn't play for Liverpool.
Here's the tweet
https://twitter.com/assouekotto/status/402530217186824192
Its a full month before Anelka did the gesture. So Ekotto knows its an anti Semitic gesture.
Personally, I read the lol at the end ironically to mean something like; "We've had this conversation previously about Spurs being a Jewish club and you've said something derogatory with respect to that, which is why I'm sarcastically saying you'd love to sit amongst lots of Jewish people... not."
BAE has always comes across to me as being rather Anti-French, and like a lot of 2nd and 3rd generation children of immigrants, this anti-Frenchness is finding expression in a strong Muslim identity, which conversely generates an Anti-Semitic sentiment due to the ongoing Israeli-Palestine conflict.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
His lol means 'lots of love' and he puts it on all his tweets and always has done. You just have to ignore it.
No, he clearly doesn't put it on all his tweets and it clearly means laughing out loud, which is the universally accepted meaning of lol, as a way of expressing having found something amusing.
spurspinter1
Paul Stalteri
I'm sorry but I just don't buy in to the whole disgust over the quenelle, having spoken to a wide variety of French people about it in France whilst I was living there and also before that.
Benny might know that the gesture's meaning has taken on another negative perception but believes in the original reason for it. Therefore I'm not saying it's okay for him to have done it like Scara said about how the Swastika wasn't originally about anti semitism, as a footballer perhaps he should have known that much would have been made of it in a negative light.
"The Quenelle is an antagonistic gesture designed to offend Jews. Simple. No excuse for it."
This view is just simply incorrect.
"The Quenelle has become an antagonistic gesture designed to offend Jews for some people."
Is closer.
And I don't believe that BAE's gesture was one that was to purvey his hatred of the Jewish religion and it's followers. Maybe you do. I guess unless we get Benny in a room with a lie detector we won't know and this debate will go round in circles.
Seedy Ron
Frederic Kanoute
It can also mean lots of love, which makes infinitely more sense with most of his tweets.
No, it can't also mean lots of love, it means "laugh(ing) out loud" - you could just as easily say rofl means "really orgasmic finger love" when in fact everyone knows it doesn't mean that. Only old people unfamiliar with Internet jargon think lol means "lots of love" like the person who wrote - "Your grandmother has just passed away. LOL." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12893416
And all BAE uses of it read to me as meant to express humour or that he's got a smile on his face at the time of writing his tweet I.E.
"Watch my car man's TV show tonight. #Ultimatewheels #historychannel #londonmotormuseum 9pm channel 529 on sky. An afro man too LOL"
spurspinter1
Paul Stalteri
To repeat Jordinho's point which you've not understood, it definitely can. Your flat out denying of this is quite strange
Yes, I'm flat out denying it, like I'm denying pink can on occasion mean blue or that anus can sometimes mean penis. Some people may use lol mistakenly to mean lots of love, but I don't believe anyone at all would use it with interchangeable meanings, how would we supposed to know what they were trying to say? And just looking at his twitter account shows there's an element of either humour intended when he uses lol or it's to express he's happy and smiling at the time of writing - I can't imagine how anyone can't see that.
Ergo - his use in the aforementioned tweet was clearly an in joke about the subject of his anti-Semitic friend coming to watch a game at White Hart Lane and being surrounded by Jews and not particularly liking it. Though I don't believe BAE himself is anti-Semitic, though he's aware his friend is.
Say I was going to a party with a friend and he told me my crazy ex girlfriend was going there too by email, he would write: "I'm sure you'd love to see her again LOL!" Cannot you see this?
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monkeybarry
Ian Walker
The last few pages of this thread sum up a large societal problem
The inability to listen to other points of view once a argument has been made
I think internet forums ( not exclusively) have created a culture where people spout opinion without research or knowledge and then cannot back track even when they are corrected or presented with solid counter argument
The inability to listen to other points of view once a argument has been made
I think internet forums ( not exclusively) have created a culture where people spout opinion without research or knowledge and then cannot back track even when they are corrected or presented with solid counter argument
spurspinter1
Paul Stalteri
I'm not discussing lol in terms of what it means/meant in tweets from BAE, you clearly stated lol can't mean lots of love, which is clearly *******s. And is nowhere near the same as the colour blue being called red. Sometimes there's a chance that a combination of letters might have two acronym(ic?) meanings and lol is one of those cases. One use might be newer than the other and be used by different demographics but they both exist. If maybe you weren't so clear and were just referring specifically to the use of lol within BAE's tweets then we're not on the same conversational page here.
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Lost Mango
Allan Nielsen
there was the whole David Cameron - Rebekah Brooks thing where he signed off LOL meaning 'Lots of Love' but she pointed out that it was generally accepted that it meant 'Laugh out Loud' and Cameron took loads of abuse in the media for it.
personally think, whilst it can be used, either way, the over-whelming understanding is 'Laugh out Loud'
Doesn't mean BAE uses it in a conventional way though - being the radical hipster that he is.
Is he still at the club???
No, in this context he's expressing he has a smile on his face - though it's a rather unusual way of using it, not often seen. I don't see how it means "lots of love", as I said before, anyone who uses social media a lot will quickly become aware it means laughing out loud. And there are plenty of tweets where that usage may be appropriate but he hasn't used it - he makes use of a heart symbol to express what you're attributing his meaning of lol as.
I think I have clearly shown beyond a reasonable doubt that he was making reference to his friends well known anti-Semitism, and there is plenty of supporting evidence to back this up.
The defence case amounts to believing he uses the same acronym to mean two different things - or are you disputing the indisputable uses of LOL he users that clearly do mean Laughing Out Loud?
