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Kyle Walker

I'm sure Spurs would've won the same amount of trophies if bankrolled by a man with a bottomless pit of cash. 10 years ago nobody would've picked Emirates Marketing Project as EPL champions prior to the big influx of dirty money.

Doesn't matter how it happened - fact remains, they won many trophies and we did not. Our self-imposed restrictions on spending (i.e, our unimaginably wealthy billionaire is a lot stingier than their unimaginably wealthy billionaire) don't really factor into it in terms of the attractiveness of the club as an option vis a vis a club like City.
 
I heard that last season, too. And we did f*cking great - finished 2nd with 86 f*cking points, an unimaginable total.

But we didn't win anything. And that does play on the minds of players, I think. So for our sake, I hope you're right. :D I'd really take a slump in league form if it meant winning a cup.

As for what City will do after Pep, take your pick. Ancelotti, Luis Enrique, Allegri...no shortage of top managers around willing to take City's petrodollar.

Ok then let's just give up right now then. I mean what's the point. I don't know why Poch, Harry, Dele and the rest are still doing here. May as well hand in their notices and follow Walker out the door:)
 
Earn more pounds, win trophies, spend the best years of his footballing career under one of the world's most decorated managers, and do it all while being closer to home than he would have been in London.

The 'worse club' jibe only holds true if we're some titan of the game winning trophies left, right and center. But we're not - we have one trophy to our name in seventeen years of effort, while City have won the league, the FA Cup and the League Cup multiple times in the past five years. So it's not a worse club - he improved his wages and moved to a club where he's likelier to win things, based on recent history (ignoring our potential, our manager and so on).

The infrastructure of the club; the management of the club, the morals of the club. In each of those we are a better club. We are building our own stadium, not just taking over a complex which had previously been used for another event and then gift wrapped to us.

There is no guarantee for future success for Emirates Marketing Project. The history is just that, history. We are at a strong point with a stronger first team and have a great future ahead. We finished several points above City this season, and that's why City have gone out and panicked, throwing their money wildly about.

I believe Pochettino is better than Guardiola. Guardiola won success with teams who were already geared up for success; barely a shock. It's like being given a place in the best F1 car. Yes, a win is still achieved but it's almost expected. As for Pochettino, he has turned our team around and is achieving results beyond that which was realistically expected from him.

Pochettino guided Walker to the form of his life. Walker rewarded Pochettino's faith by seemingly demanding a move to Emirates Marketing Project. We had showed faith in Walker, even in the past when he wasn't considered the best right back. Yet, as soon as an offer of more money comes in, he's off.

That is my judgment of the situation and I appreciate that I do not know everything that has occurred. But I can understand why Walker has been criticised on here, and isn't always Mr Popular on here. I am a big fan of his playing ability, and I loved watching him play during his time with us. But, I'm not going to pretend to be happy about the way that he left.
 
We don't need the money in order to buy players; firstly there is so much money in football now that the fee is meaningless imo. People keep saying 'oh great buy this guy for this and this leaves that left over for that.' It's a load of bollox, simple. Secondly we don't even need any new players anyway.

This whole thing is simply another example of the small club mentality THFC has had for too damn long.

This Club has been selling its best players since the mid 80s. It's unacceptable and it is why since the mid 80s we have hardly won a damn thing. Time and again custodians in charge of our great Club have betrayed us the fans. Everyone trying to pin this on Walker because it suits them and it suits the Club. Truth is Poch wanted him gone and Levy was happy to oblige.

The pair of them are idiots plain and simple for selling him to a direct rival. It should not have happened and I suspect Rose would have gone in a double deal if he was fit.

I'm delighted with Levy for the magnificent upgrade to our infrastructure but very much look forward to him being gone not long after the stadium is finished. I thought we had well and truly joined the elite after last season but we haven't and the guy I debated on here sometime ago that said City aren't our rivals is correct. They probably actually aren't our rivals because we have a small club mentality that has plagued this club since the mid 80s.

The only way I view this transfer as remotely acceptable is if it has been established that KWP is the real deal and ready now.

If we go and buy someone else for RB and then get a Barkley with the rest of the cash then that is pathetic. We don't need this money, Levy can stick it up his ass.

Same bloody cycle with this club. Absolute joke.

I assume you were a big Walker fan?
 
Ok then let's just give up right now then. I mean what's the point. I don't know why Poch, Harry, Dele and the rest are still doing here. May as well hand in their notices and follow Walker out the door:)

We *will* get bids for some of them now - precedent's been set. Remains to be seen how creatively we can tell the rest to f*ck off, however. :p

@El Guepardo - interesting that you mention infrastructure, management and morals as our markers of superiority over City.

Infrastructure-wise, they've got a training ground as good as ours, if not better (because of the enormous purpose-built youth complex they're building right beside it - we got approval for a grass-covered hotel at Hotspur Way recently and that was apparently a big deal, but City are building a goddamn stadium on their training ground *just* for their young players, iirc).

Manager-wise, we probably have the more talented manager - but City have the world's most decorated manager (apart from Mourinho), a man who has won nearly everything there is to win. Okay, he did it with the most expensive squads and clubs ever, but he still did it. When selling your club to a potential signing, results will probably trump optimism - and, at present, Pep beats Poch in that regard, even as Poch is proving the better manager with each day that he outdoes Pep with 1000 gorillion fewer pounds to spend. :p

Not sure what you mean by the 'morals' of the club, but I'm assuming it's the old 'build up the slow way' stuff. Firstly, I disagree that it's particularly 'moral' for reasons I've outlined in the Levy thread, and secondly, so what? Players don't sign to be angels - they sign because the club is better placed for success and can pay them more than comparable rivals. City tick both those boxes - ergo, from a player's perspective, they are a better club than us, so nothing to do with going to a 'worse' team.

As for Walker betraying Poch, I really don't think that's how it went down. Poch rotated Walker - Walker didn't like it or the reasons for it - Poch didn't like that Walker was questioning his judgement and authority over team management - Walker was told to get on his bike, and did. That's roughly how I suspect it went down, and coupled with his personal concerns, there was probably little doubt that he wanted a move back up north over other possibilities.

You don't have to be happy about him leaving, mate - never suggested that. But he isn't to blame for the move, and even if he did want it badly enough to ask for it of his own accord, he's given us eight long years - I feel like that's enough loyal service for any player in this day and age.
 
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I'm not arguing with his quality but when a player wants to leave he wants to leave it happens at all clubs I'm afraid and newsflash it's not going to change - all you can do is get beat possible deal. Wait until a top club abroad wanted him? How do you know that was ever going to happen or if he wanted to play abroad? The majority of English tend not to go abroad incase you hadn't realised. How do you know he wasn't agitating for a move, or did you have the inside track yourself? His performances markedly dipped around the time it was rumoured he wasn't happy, so what use is he to us going forward - his value was only going to decrease. It's very easy playing armchair chairman isn't it without knowing all the facts - if only I was as good as you....
Dial down the patronising please it doesn't make your arguments stronger. If we can't discuss a topic without other posters resorting to childish insults then it's not much of a forum. I don't know walker at all. But I have not read anything to suggest he was agitating for a move. You on the other hand have just based your entire argument on media speculation.
 
Exactly - the owner of this club and many before him view us as an Ajax or a Dortmund. To them the trophy is buying small and selling big.

This is what needs to change. People need to be in charge of our club who see us as a Real Madrid and tell people who show interest in our best players (especially our direct rivals) to fudge right off.

I know a lot of people on here are going to call me a child etc etc and that's fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but my sole focus is on this disease that has gripped this club since the mid 80s and directly resulted in us winning hardly anything since then.

I thought the disease was gone but now I know it hasn't.

Why was Hoddle sold to Monaco? He wanted to try something different no doubt but the owner of the club who's sole aim should be OUR clubs progression should have said no your not going. Same time and time again; Waddle to Marseille, we were happy to sell gazza before the injury. Why? Absurd decision. Even Klinsmann. Why didn't Sugar say I don't care what you want you are staying. And then Levy comes on board a few years later and time and time again amazing players sold to clubs who don't share our small club mentality.

All you apologists who come out with nonesense like 'oh but they'd down tools' absolute load of bollox.

32 damn years since the mid 80s and we have 1 f.a. Cup to show for it.

The above is why that pathetic record is reality and why I'm absolutely furious to see it continue.

Except Walker is not our best player. This is different to selling Bale or Modric where we were effectively forced to sell. We chose to sell getting a world record fee for a good but not Real Madrid quality defender who's score 5 goals for us. We retain Alli, Eriksen, Kane, Toby, Lloris and can use 54 million to reinvest at a time when we're building an 800m development. Some might call it genius - it will be if we pull it off by making genuine improvements to the squad. On that score time will tell...


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Dial down the patronising please it doesn't make your arguments stronger. If we can't discuss a topic without other posters resorting to childish insults then it's not much of a forum. I don't know walker at all. But I have not read anything to suggest he was agitating for a move. You on the other hand have just based your entire argument on media speculation.
Where exactly was my childish insult?! My argument was that Walker wanted to go, and you can't keep a player against their will - not sure what part of that is media speculation? We just don't have the clout to keep players who are unhappy because like it or not our beloved Spurs aren't the biggest club in the world or even close. All that will happen is Levy tries to get the best possible deal and outcome for Spurs like he has delivered time and time again. The same will happen with Dele and maybe even Kane unless we start delivering titles, and it's not Levys or anyone at the clubs fault - it's the way football is.....
 
Where exactly was my childish insult?! My argument was that Walker wanted to go, and you can't keep a player against their will - not sure what part of that is media speculation? We just don't have the clout to keep players who are unhappy because like it or not our beloved Spurs aren't the biggest club in the world or even close. All that will happen is Levy tries to get the best possible deal and outcome for Spurs like he has delivered time and time again. The same will happen with Dele and maybe even Kane unless we start delivering titles, and it's not Levys or anyone at the clubs fault - it's the way football is.....
My reading of it all is that it was not so much Walker wanting out as Poch wanting him gone. When you cross swords with Poch there's only going to be one winner.
 
I'd go and do the same job somewhere else for double the money in a heartbeat

anyone who says otherwise is a liar

Yes but that would be life changing most likely. I can't believe that anyone who earns over £80,000 per week really has their life changed by earning £180,000. Not in the same way at least. After all Walker can likely afford all the things that he would want.
 

So, Jenas making the point about selling to our rivals being a bad thing, even for loads of cash. Can't say I disagree with the principle, really - although Walker's case had some caveats that made the sale necessary.

The worry that's growing with me is if Walker wins a trophy with City before we do - then, the next time they come in for our players (and they will), the likes of Eriksen, Alli and Rose will factor that into their decision making. City offering a bigger wage *and* the guarantee of winning more trophies than Spurs more regularly - it's pretty much the definition of an upwards move in that case. And, of course, we can't straight up refuse to sell to City or another domestic rival because we've broken that precedent now - players will point to Walker and say 'you sold *him* - you can sell me, too'.

I admit, that's a genuine concern. And given the attitude of some of of our lot with regard to winning things (we've won one League Cup in seventeen years, but apparently finishing 4th/3rd/2nd is a better achievement), I'm not sure that we can feasibly get away with focusing on the cups to rectify this disadvantage, because that will lower our league performances and get people complaining.

If Poch has made it known that Walker is not part of his plans, for whatever reason, and the only side interested in signing him was Emirates Marketing Project - what would you have done?
 
Where exactly was my childish insult?! My argument was that Walker wanted to go, and you can't keep a player against their will - not sure what part of that is media speculation? We just don't have the clout to keep players who are unhappy because like it or not our beloved Spurs aren't the biggest club in the world or even close. All that will happen is Levy tries to get the best possible deal and outcome for Spurs like he has delivered time and time again. The same will happen with Dele and maybe even Kane unless we start delivering titles, and it's not Levys or anyone at the clubs fault - it's the way football is.....
You are predicating your argument on the fact that Walker was unhappy. We do not know anything other than media speculation. It is right to ask questions about selling the best Right back in the country without having brought someone in of similar quality. While I certainly like Trippier he is not in my opinion on the same level as Walker. That is not a slur against Levy to suggest I have is straw manning my point.
 
If Poch has made it known that Walker is not part of his plans, for whatever reason, and 5 he only side interested in signing him was Emirates Marketing Project - what would you have done?

I would have sold him. Like I said, Walker's case had some caveats that made the sale necessary.

That doesn't change the fact that it brings back a precedent now that we worked hard to erase over the past seven years - namely ,that we *will* sell to our domestic rivals under certain circumstances. And if we go on trying to finish 4th/3rd/2nd instead of picking up silverware, that precedent will combine with our general lack of trophies to come back in a nasty way in future windows, I suspect. The remedy wouldn't have been to keep Walker if Poch wanted him gone - the remedy will be to *win* things.
 
Except Walker is not our best player. This is different to selling Bale or Modric where we were effectively forced to sell. We chose to sell getting a world record fee for a good but not Real Madrid quality defender who's score 5 goals for us. We retain Alli, Eriksen, Kane, Toby, Lloris and can use 54 million to reinvest at a time when we're building an 800m development. Some might call it genius - it will be if we pull it off by making genuine improvements to the squad. On that score time will tell...


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Regarding the best player thing, it's all relative. He may not score as many goals as Kane and Alli, pass as well as Eriksen or defend as well as Alderweireld but he is a better full back than any of them, and probably better than we can find now with our financial constraints on the market.
 
I would have sold him. Like I said, Walker's case had some caveats that made the sale necessary.

That doesn't change the fact that it brings back a precedent now that we worked hard to erase over the past seven years - namely ,that we *will* sell to our domestic rivals under certain circumstances. And if we go on trying to finish 4th/3rd/2nd instead of picking up silverware, that precedent will combine with our general lack of trophies to come back in a nasty way in future windows, I suspect. The remedy wouldn't have been to keep Walker if Poch wanted him gone - the remedy will be to *win* things.


I'm not sure what the issue is then if you agree that he should have been sold to City in those circumstances - it's just something we have to deal with when it happens
 
I would have sold him. Like I said, Walker's case had some caveats that made the sale necessary.

That doesn't change the fact that it brings back a precedent now that we worked hard to erase over the past seven years - namely ,that we *will* sell to our domestic rivals under certain circumstances. And if we go on trying to finish 4th/3rd/2nd instead of picking up silverware, that precedent will combine with our general lack of trophies to come back in a nasty way in future windows, I suspect. The remedy wouldn't have been to keep Walker if Poch wanted him gone - the remedy will be to *win* things.

This ...

I don't want to play the doom card, was plenty of that every time we lost particular players/managers in the last 7-10 years and we have managed and progressed.

But .. there is a growing pressure to validate that progress by winning something, and the argument to keep players would be significantly easier if we did.
 
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