Danny Ings - Burnley's Number 10

[Finney Is Back]

Maybe Chadli could be Kane's back up.

He'd have to start breaking a sweat in games first.

 

[Bullet]

Problem with both Ings and Austin (and really, any CF aspiring to fill one of the England CF positions) is that there will likely only be enough space on the pitch for one striker at any given time at Spurs, and it is very likely that Harry Kane, being the local lad come good, will be occupying that space consistently when fit. Wouldn't be a problem if the rotating/back-up striker was either of a different nationality or at an age where international caps aren't as important to him, but it is a problem when Kane is a) English himself, and b) likely to be competing for the same England slot that these players will be competing for (with the other forward 'slots' filled by a combination of Rooney, Sturridge, and whatever English striker happens to be on form and playing regularly at that time). I doubt Ings and Austin would want to be in that sort of competition when they could just as easily pick up regular time as a guaranteed starter at some other club, and impress Hodgson/the next England manager that way.

That's another reason why I don't think Soldado is going anywhere: beyond his enormous wages putting off suitors (except for the newly-rich Valencia, perhaps), he's also a) Spanish, and so unaffected by this situation, and b) old enough that he probably doesn't feel obligated to push for Spain caps at every given opportunity, unlike younger players. And I think any back-up/rotation option upfront that we look at will need to be one who is similarly unaffected by this situation, i.e either foreign, old, or happy to share playing time with a striker who aspires to fill a permanent role in the England side.

I don't think Ings or Austin have delusions about being England's starting striker... but they might get a game as a support striker... so becoming a support striker / "1 of the attacking 3" for Spurs, supporting Kane, would be FANTASTIC for their England prospects if they can prove they have a good understanding. That is what people are saying here... get Ings or Austin as one of the three... they can play up top if really necessary... but not all the time

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I'm not sure that I agree with all of that. If you sign a player on big wages and they don't perform, it is very difficult to then find another club who will match those big wages.

A zero cost capital player (or a low one) can be shifted if there good enough IMO

 

[P.D.]

A zero cost capital player (or a low one) can be shifted if there good enough IMO

But if they are good enough then the team won't want to sell them. Even when they are good enough it doesn't mean clubs can afford them e.g. Ade, Woodgate and Keane for instance all had their wages subsidised by their previous clubs when they joined us.

And when they aren't good enough then you still have to subsidise them as well e.g Joe Cole to West Ham.

 

[DubaiSpur]

yeah but it seems Ings is desperate to join Liverpool, deal almost done according to whispers, and i dont see how he expects he wiill be a regular starter there when Rodgers already has Sturridge and Origi, plus is heavily linked with buying another forward like a Benteke or a Berahino. I doubt Ings will be a first team week in week out starter at any top 6 club. If thats what he wants he needs to join a Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Stoke, Swansea etc.

Same with Austin, although Austin might not be so insistent on wanting regular football. Maybe he wouldnt mind being Kane's back up. Austin seems very grateful to have reached the level he has, saw an interview yesterday and he looks like a real nice and humble cahp

Interesting thing with Austin is that he has a year left on his deal, is at relegated and heavily in debt QPR. Im sure whoever is interested can get him for less than 10 mill which is a real bargain when we see Benteke being for sale at 32 mill

Well, 'Pool generally play with two strikers, and another player right behind them as an AM/trequartista: I'd wager Ings thinks he'll be one of the starters beside Sturridge. Austin's undoubtedly grateful to have hit the heights he did, but I think he'll want to try to stay in that England side, which by extension means wanting to play regularly somewhere. And with the news about Soton being the prime movers in his case, it isn't like he's only got the option of a bench role for a bigger team or a starting role for a smaller one: he could be starting week in, week out for one of the better teams in the land, with good options up front and a crying need for a physical centre-forward exactly like him to complement those options.

I don't think Ings or Austin have delusions about being England's starting striker... but they might get a game as a support striker... so becoming a support striker / "1 of the attacking 3" for Spurs, supporting Kane, would be FANTASTIC for their England prospects if they can prove they have a good understanding. That is what people are saying here... get Ings or Austin as one of the three... they can play up top if really necessary... but not all the time

Like I said, I'm inclined to believe that they don't have delusions about being one of the guaranteed starters for the England side (like, say, Rooney or Sturridge when they're fit), but I think they have their eyes on taking the same 'rotation/depth' spot that Kane currently looks like he's getting ready to fill. That's where I think the competition lies. Make no mistake, I'd love to see one of them here (they're both good enough to compete with Kane in my book) if Poch wants them, but I don't know if they'd be keen on it given their other options and our situation with Kane at the moment.

 

[indianspur]

Well, 'Pool generally play with two strikers, and another player right behind them as an AM/trequartista: I'd wager Ings thinks he'll be one of the starters beside Sturridge. Austin's undoubtedly grateful to have hit the heights he did, but I think he'll want to try to stay in that England side, which by extension means wanting to play regularly somewhere. And with the news about Soton being the prime movers in his case, it isn't like he's only got the option of a bench role for a bigger team or a starting role for a smaller one: he could be starting week in, week out for one of the better teams in the land, with good options up front and a crying need for a physical centre-forward exactly like him to complement those options.

I guess that will definitely increase Ings's chances of regular football, even if they also sign someone like Benteke...........i wouldnt even be surprised if in some games Rodgers goes with a forward trio of Benteke up top and Ings and Sturridge in and around him. Rodgers is very flexible with his tactics

but Rodgers will have to shift out a few. Already they have Balotelli, Borini, Lambert and Sturridge

 

[Hashegotthesackyet?]

+Lallana

 

[indianspur]

A zero cost capital player (or a low one) can be shifted if there good enough IMO

lets see how we offload Holtby

 

[DubaiSpur]

I guess that will definitely increase Ings's chances of regular football, even if they also sign someone like Benteke...........i wouldnt even be surprised if in some games Rodgers goes with a forward trio of Benteke up top and Ings and Sturridge in and around him. Rodgers is very flexible with his tactics

but Rodgers will have to shift out a few. Already they have Balotelli, Borini, Lambert and Sturridge

Yeah, I think they're trying to get rid of Borini, Lambert and Balotelli, judging by RAWK. If they end the window with Origi, Benteke, Sturridge and Ings as their strikeforce, they'll have done well, imo. And yeah, Ings will likely get more playing time than he would have here: in fact, I wouldn't put it past Rodgers to do what you say, and play with three forwards in some games, with a front two (possibly Benteke + a fit Sturridge) and an inside forward behind them. He's that sort of tinkering manager, whereas Poch seems far, far more set in his ways.

 

[Raziel]

More like Rodgers is very brick with his tactics .. and 3 years in, still has no clue what his preferred formation is

 

[DubaiSpur]

More like Rodgers is very crud with his tactics .. and 3 years in, still has no clue what his preferred formation is

Nah. I think he tailors it to the players he has, as opposed to having a set vision of what he wants his team to look like. Adaptable.

Not saying that's better than having a set vision of how you want your players to play (that in itself brings benefits in terms of team cohesion and long-term planning), but it's a valid approach to management.

 

[Raziel]

Nah. I think he tailors it to the players he has, as opposed to having a set vision of what he wants his team to look like. Adaptable.

Not saying that's better than having a set vision of how you want your players to play (that in itself brings benefits in terms of team cohesion and long-term planning), but it's a valid approach to management.

Not what Pool fans think .. go read RAWK (and they are as deluded as they come), their general opinion is Rodgers has zero idea of what his fall back formation is, and has at times "fallen" into a system that works when limited by selection (injuries/suspensions/etc.), and when everyone gets fit/available again, he fudges it up

 

[Cochise]

I think the overall style of play he is trying to get Liverpool playing to is planned. The 343 he fell into earlier this season though was a product of the situation he found himself in after the injuries piled up.

 

[indianspur]

Yes Rodgers has implemented the overall style....... the chosen formation just works around that style. Thats how it should be tbh and provides flexibility.

 

[milo]

Yes Rodgers has implemented the overall style....... the chosen formation just works around that style. Thats how it should be tbh and provides flexibility.

Not knowing what formation you are going to play has a big impact on transfer policy though. That is what undid QPR last season.

 

[indianspur]

Not knowing what formation you are going to play has a big impact on transfer policy though. That is what undid QPR last season.

I guess thats true, good point.....maybe the idea is to go for players who are also intelligent and flexible and can adapt to different formations

 

[Jordinho]

I guess thats true, good point.....maybe the idea is to go for players who are also intelligent and flexible and can adapt to different formations

They have to be when the manager likes having right backs at left back and midfielders as strikers and right backs.

 

[indianspur]

They have to be when the manager likes having right backs at left back and midfielders as strikers and right backs.

nothing wrong with that.....time to worry is when Joe Allen or Adam Llallana are shoved in goal

 

[braineclipse]

Nah. I think he tailors it to the players he has, as opposed to having a set vision of what he wants his team to look like. Adaptable.

Not saying that's better than having a set vision of how you want your players to play (that in itself brings benefits in terms of team cohesion and long-term planning), but it's a valid approach to management.

That tailoring and adaptability hasn't done much to help Borini, Lambert, Aspas and Balotelli fit in at Liverpool. All signed under Rodgers, all essentially flops. Even if you don't count Aspas as a striker that's 3 misses for the one his (Sturridge) of the strikers signed under Rodgers. I struggle to see how that makes a good argument for his ability to tailor and adapt.

I guess thats true, good point.....maybe the idea is to go for players who are also intelligent and flexible and can adapt to different formations

That seems extremely ambitious for a club in Liverpool's position. And rather different to what he had a success with at Swansea. I do wonder sometimes if he's deluded or just playing deluded in the press to fit in. But if his plan at the outset was this amount of changes and tinkering in his first 3 years at Liverpool he must be buying into his own hype quite a bit. Doesn't seem like a sensible approach to me.

 

[indianspur]

That tailoring and adaptability hasn't done much to help Borini, Lambert, Aspas and Balotelli fit in at Liverpool. All signed under Rodgers, all essentially flops. Even if you don't count Aspas as a striker that's 3 misses for the one his (Sturridge) of the strikers signed under Rodgers. I struggle to see how that makes a good argument for his ability to tailor and adapt.

all signed under Rodgers but Liverpool do have a transfer committee and although he will have the final say sometimes its not much use if you are presented with 3 duds by the committee and you have to choose one out of them..........look at Spurs, we signed Fazio and Stambouli but it looks like Poch wouldnt be averse to letting either go after just one season. Committee? Poch?, who is to blame?

Also Liverpool have the same problem as us in that the top players dont really want to go there. We are both feeding off the scraps and the chances of big money signings flopping is higher imo.