the Tim Sherwood man love thread

[scaramanga]

Now it's possible that I could've done it.... But I think under you they would probably have just regressed to the mean Scara!

You may joke, but regressing (and getting a bit of morale boost from having a new manager) is exactly what's happened there. Sherwood would have to be actively trying to fvck them up (which I wouldn't suggest he's incapable of) to stop it.

 

[greatwhitenorf]

Just a little note of appreciation to Tim Sherwood for bringing in a geed-up Aston Villa side to take three points off us at WHL.

Try to imagine the stress we'd be facing from all the mental gymnastics and speculation if we'd won that game.

We'd be looking ahead to the visit of ManCity thinking that if we can beat them, we'd be one point back of fourth place. Oh, the possibilities that would have loomed.

Of course, we'd likely be tied with Liverpool who, like City, have better goal difference on their side. We'd be looking at weeks of wasted mental energy and countless hours of missed golf practice sitting at our computers tapping out thesis-quality dissertations on how we can nick fourth.

Instead, we lost to Villa and can relax the rest of the way home, enjoying the Harry Kane Show and ripping on various and sundry ne'er-do-wells pulling on the shirt. Thanks Tim.

 

[El Guepardo]

He's a decent manager but I don't like him as a person.

 

[talljoe]

Don't mind him myself. Thought he was OK for us, and I will be cheering for Villa at the Final. (Won't we all ?)

TJ

 

[Raziel]

Sherwood is an amplified version of Redknapp ...

- He's a motivator who goes back to a simple approach, and gets a few key players to lift their game/motivation.
- He can't shut his mouth with media, and its all about him .. not club/players

The upside is, its amazing how much a motivator can actually lift player/team results, people underestimate that to their peril.

The long term challenge is you are limited by the ability of individuals within the side, Sherwood has been lucky so far in that the two strikers he has managed to motivate are world class on their day. However long term, Redknapp could only improve his team (above initial lift) by continuously buying better players (vs. theoretically a system type manager that tries to get a sum that is greater than the sum of parts).

 

[90291Spur]

I'd rather Timmeh win the FA Cup than the Goons or Victimpool. There, I said it and I meant it.

 

[Jordinho]

Sherwood is an amplified version of Redknapp ...

- He's a motivator who goes back to a simple approach, and gets a few key players to lift their game/motivation.
- He can't shut his mouth with media, and its all about him .. not club/players

The upside is, its amazing how much a motivator can actually lift player/team results, people underestimate that to their peril.

The long term challenge is you are limited by the ability of individuals within the side, Sherwood has been lucky so far in that the two strikers he has managed to motivate are world class on their day. However long term, Redknapp could only improve his team (above initial lift) by continuously buying better players (vs. theoretically a system type manager that tries to get a sum that is greater than the sum of parts).

Redknapp didn't really upgrade his players. He just needs to sign boatloads of them every season as they tend to wear out quickly.

 

[scaramanga]

Redknapp didn't really upgrade his players. He just needs to sign boatloads of them every season as they tend to wear out quickly.

And of course the churn creates business for agents which creates money for......

 

[Millsy_Yiddo]

Sherwood is an amplified version of Redknapp ...

- He's a motivator who goes back to a simple approach, and gets a few key players to lift their game/motivation.
- He can't shut his mouth with media, and its all about him .. not club/players

The upside is, its amazing how much a motivator can actually lift player/team results, people underestimate that to their peril.

The long term challenge is you are limited by the ability of individuals within the side, Sherwood has been lucky so far in that the two strikers he has managed to motivate are world class on their day. However long term, Redknapp could only improve his team (above initial lift) by continuously buying better players (vs. theoretically a system type manager that tries to get a sum that is greater than the sum of parts).

All true at the moment, but Sherwood is very early doors in his career as a manager. If he can learn that there's more to coaching a team than getting them 'up for it', tactics make a difference and to shut his mouth in the media, is there a good, dare I say it, very good, manager in there?

 

[indianspur]

All true at the moment, but Sherwood is very early doors in his career as a manager. If he can learn that there's more to coaching a team than getting them 'up for it', tactics make a difference and to shut his mouth in the media, is there a good, dare I say it, very good, manager in there?

well he got the tactics spot on in the semi....Liverpool were completely outplayed.

 

[Millsy_Yiddo]

well he got the tactics spot on in the semi....Liverpool were completely outplayed.

You'd best hide yourself away for a while. Those type of comments are not welcome in these parts (I agree with you by the way!)

 

[indianspur]

You'd best hide yourself away for a while. Those type of comments are not welcome in these parts (I agree with you by the way!)

if Villa manage to beat Arsanal on May 30th then Sherwood will go from zero to hero, just watch

 

[glorygloryeze]

if Villa manage to beat Arsanal on May 30th then Sherwood will go from zero to hero, just watch

Why of course! However some of us despise Sherwood, we all likely hate Arsenal more!

 

[scaramanga]

All true at the moment, but Sherwood is very early doors in his career as a manager. If he can learn that there's more to coaching a team than getting them 'up for it', tactics make a difference and to shut his mouth in the media, is there a good, dare I say it, very good, manager in there?

The only attribute he has demonstrated which is required of a good manager is that of motivating players, and he's only shown that he can do that over a short period.

That makes him no more likely to learn the rest of the attributes than anyone else who can motivate people over a very short period of time. If Joey Essex (see how much I know about popular culture?!) showed an ability to motivate someone for a month or two would that lead you to suggest he could become a top football manager?

 

[indianspur]

The only attribute he has demonstrated which is required of a good manager is that of motivating players, and he's only shown that he can do that over a short period.

That makes him no more likely to learn the rest of the attributes than anyone else who can motivate people over a very short period of time. If Joey Essex (see how much I know about popular culture?!) showed an ability to motivate someone for a month or two would that lead you to suggest he could become a top football manager?

seriously though, football is not something that complicated is it? There have been very few tactical geniuses in the history of the game, the majority of managers have been/are ex players who take on coaching courses and then take up positions at clubs.

id say what makes the biggest difference is in fact being able to motivate, to get inside the heads of players to make them play better. Alex Ferguson was no tactical genius, but he was able to motivate them to give their absolute all for his teams. He made sure they knew who was boss, they all lived in fear of him, but they respected everything he said. His teams played very simple football, full of width and pace, a strong midfield and goalscorers to put the ball in the back of the net. He didnt come up with any fancy formations or tactics that revolutionized football

Imo in order to be successful at this simple game firstly and most importantly you need good players, then you need to organise them, and finally you have to motivate them to go out and run through brick walls for you and the club. Even a dimwit like Sherwood can manage that

 

[Millsy_Yiddo]

The only attribute he has demonstrated which is required of a good manager is that of motivating players, and he's only shown that he can do that over a short period.

That makes him no more likely to learn the rest of the attributes than anyone else who can motivate people over a very short period of time. If Joey Essex (see how much I know about popular culture?!) showed an ability to motivate someone for a month or two would that lead you to suggest he could become a top football manager?

No, but Joey Essex never was, never has been and has never suggested that he has any interest in football. Sherwood was a professional player, who has now moved into management which would suggest to me that he might be willing to learn about things that might make him better at his chosen profession.

The only positive attribute he has doesn't count because 'he's only shown it over a short period' yet in the same short period you have decided he's tactically inept. Not the strongest of arguments that.

 

[Baleforce]

seriously though, football is not something that complicated is it? There have been very few tactical geniuses in the history of the game, the majority of managers have been/are ex players who take on coaching courses and then take up positions at clubs.

id say what makes the biggest difference is in fact being able to motivate, to get inside the heads of players to make them play better. Alex Ferguson was no tactical genius, but he was able to motivate them to give their absolute all for his teams. He made sure they knew who was boss, they all lived in fear of him, but they respected everything he said. His teams played very simple football, full of width and pace, a strong midfield and goalscorers to put the ball in the back of the net. He didnt come up with any fancy formations or tactics that revolutionized football

Imo in order to be successful at this simple game firstly and most importantly you need good players, then you need to organise them, and finally you have to motivate them to go out and run through brick walls for you and the club. Even a dimwit like Sherwood can manage that

not sure if serious

 

[indianspur]

not sure if serious

go on then, tell me what made him a tactical genius, a brainiac that outwitted everyone.........im not in anyway questioning his abilities or achievements, all im saying is that he got the management basics absolutely spot on and that is what gave him all that success. He bought good players, he and his coaches organised them, and he expertly motivated them.

 

[Baleforce]

go on then, tell me what made him a tactical genius, a brainiac that outwitted everyone.........im not in anyway questioning his abilities or achievements, all im saying is that he got the management basics absolutely spot on and that is what gave him all that success. He bought good players, he and his coaches organised them, and he expertly motivated them.

this

 

[jts1882]

He nearly always had a good coach as his assistant. They struggled the year Queiroz (sp?) left, for instance. But this is part of being a great manager, play to your own strengths and bring in people to cover other areas. Fergie was a bit of a tyrant, but wasn't afraid to delegate.