Next Spurs Manager v.2

[indianspur]

If Pellegrini or Wenger are leaving their jobs this summer I think that the announcement will be made pretty soon after the last game and contact may already have been made with representatives of potential managers. I doubt that we would have to wait all summer.

wait, PSG might be looking for a new manager. LVG has never won a title in France, maybe 2 or 3 highly paid years in Paris will be highly appealing. Levy has to wait again

 

[chancer]

I see where Chancer is going because for Levy it could be a case of better the devil you know. ...

Aye, that's basically it, especially absent a clear, compelling reason to bring someone in from outside, precisely as you set out in the rest of your post.

Good analysis, only thing I wanted to point out is that it's funny that we've made so many mistakes picking managers that we have categories of mistakes that each potential manager would fall into lol. Theoretically it should be easy for us to pick the best manager by process of elimination.

Not sure how you all can be 100% sure Spaletti, Allegri or anyone else for that matter would be another Santini or Ramos.

I think from Levy's perspective, previous mistakes will weigh heavy on his mind. But yeah, maybe Spaletti is the one name on the list I was too dismissive of. But I do wonder if pride would allow Levy swap managers with Zenit. That would give AVB some satisfaction and I'm not sure Levy would have the stomach for that.

I also reacted to your "path of least resistance" comment. Do you think that's how Levy has operated traditionally?

Good point, but I guess I didn't really mean "path of least resistance" in terms of "oh fukk it, I'll just do what's easiest".

It's more like: "All those other lads might work, but they are all a risk...as is Sherwood, but at least Sherwood is here, he's free, he's easy to sack, I know he plays Spurs football etc. etc." It's sort of weighing the risk/reward and coming down on the most neutral balance of those two, which I think he'll probably think in the end is TS.

 

[indianspur]

but hasnt Sherwood been told he wont be getting the Spurs job??? what was that press leak, his best mate Jamie Redknapp ranting off, all before the Sunderland game for then?

 

[gungy]

Out of interest - does anyone know if FdB played erikson in centre while at Ajax?

 

[chancer]

Out of interest - does anyone know if FdB played erikson in centre while at Ajax?

I believe it was a mixture of in the middle and on the (narrow) left. Which is actually kinda what he's doing now for us - starting left on the team sheet but spending a lot of time in the middle, swapping around with whoever is there. IIRC, most of his goals this season have been from a more central position.

 

[Huddy]

wait, PSG might be looking for a new manager. LVG has never won a title in France, maybe 2 or 3 highly paid years in Paris will be highly appealing. Levy has to wait again.

I get the feeling from his comments over the last year that he wants to manage in the Premier League, this would probably be his last big appointment before he retires. The only managers in the top seven that I would say are totally secure in their jobs at this very moment are Rodgers, Mourinho and Martinez, which leaves both Manchester clubs and both North London clubs as possible destinations, with Utd and us at the forefront.

 

[diego_maradona]

Superb discussion btw everyone. Only hope the spurs board put this much thought into it all!!

 

[Ryan]

Eurgh, I can't believe I'm considering this but perhaps keeping Sherwood for next season might not be so disastrous....

I've been heavily critical of the bloke but most of that stems more from his personality and his (apparent) off the field politics, but is there an argument for 'better the devil you know'. He has got some some decent results, I actually like his approach to selecting players based on training performance, I like his attitude towards the youth, and if he manages to control his mouth a little is he anymore dislikable that Harry? His reign so far has been tumultuous but it's worth considering if keeping him cause any less upheaval than yet another new manager for the players to get used to.

As it stands, bar LVG, I can't see any outstanding potential candidates. Every single one of them presents a risk, and I'm uncertain whether any options really fit Spurs and our requirements.

 

[braineclipse]

Eurgh, I can't believe I'm considering this but perhaps keeping Sherwood for next season might not be so disastrous....

I've been heavily critical of the bloke but most of that stems more from his personality and his (apparent) off the field politics, but is there an argument for 'better the devil you know'. He has got some some decent results, I actually like his approach to selecting players based on training performance, I like his attitude towards the youth, and if he manages to control his mouth a little is he anymore dislikable that Harry? His reign so far has been tumultuous but it's worth considering if keeping him cause any less upheaval than yet another new manager for the players to get used to.

As it stands, bar LVG, I can't see any outstanding potential candidates. Every single one of them presents a risk, and I'm uncertain whether any options really fit Spurs and our requirements.

As does Sherwood, only to a much greater extent (imo).

Most signs indicate that even if Sherwood is kept in place there's going to be upheaval, as you say yourself it's been tumultuous so far.

 

[Baleforce]

I think Sherwood starting next season has 2 from 8 written all over it.

 

[diego_maradona]

I think Sherwood starting next season has 2 from 8 written all over it.

Well at least we know we need to call in that instance

 

[Ryan]

As does Sherwood, only to a much greater extent (imo).

Most signs indicate that even if Sherwood is kept in place there's going to be upheaval, as you say yourself it's been tumultuous so far.

I guess what I'm meaning to say is that we already understand the risks attached with Sherwood, and he's not doing too bad currently.

He's not a completely unknown quantity which all the others present.

 

[Craig_J]

Well at least we know we need to call in that instance

I'd be up for calling him now

 

[Lemonade Money]

Failed at Watford, then got another Championship side promoted. Question is, will he continue to mimic Brendan Rodgers's career?

I know he got the sack, but did he fail at Watford? The Watford fans commenting on Burnley's promotion where stating their club ****ed up letting him go.

'The 41-year-old had been in charge since June 2011 and last season led them to 11th place in the Championship, their highest finish for four years.
Watford's new owners, the Pozzo family, say they already have a verbal agreement with former West Ham boss Gianfranco Zola to become manager.
A statement on the club website said: "On behalf of the club, the Pozzo family acknowledges that Sean's positive contribution to Watford FC dates back long before his appointment as manager in June 2011.
"The Pozzo family also recognises Sean's impeccable conduct, representing the Hornets with honour and dignity at all times. His achievements under difficult circumstances mean he will rightly be held in high regard by Watford supporters."
Although former Italy international Zola is a popular figure in English football, there will be some sympathy for Dyche, who was promoted from assistant manager when Malky Mackay left the club last summer to join Cardiff.'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18687313

Seems the owners just wanted their own man.

 

[Seedy Ron]

I guess what I'm meaning to say is that we already understand the risks attached with Sherwood, and he's not doing too bad currently.

He's not a completely unknown quantity which all the others present.

An established manager isn't a completely unknown quantity, someone like FSW has form over here too.

I'd be up for calling him now

TBH, if we knew then what we know now, I kinda wish Levy had just balled him out a bit for being a **** but given him a second chance. Hindsight's great though, and never go back and all that.

 

[braineclipse]

I guess what I'm meaning to say is that we already understand the risks attached with Sherwood, and he's not doing too bad currently.

He's not a completely unknown quantity which all the others present.

Sherwood is way less proven than Pochettino. With someone as unproven as Sherwood I don't understand how we could possibly expect to properly understand the risks attached.

The others aren't completely unknown quantities either.

 

[braineclipse]

I know he got the sack, but did he fail at Watford? The Watford fans commenting on Burnley's promotion where stating their club ****ed up letting him go.

'The 41-year-old had been in charge since June 2011 and last season led them to 11th place in the Championship, their highest finish for four years.
Watford's new owners, the Pozzo family, say they already have a verbal agreement with former West Ham boss Gianfranco Zola to become manager.
A statement on the club website said: "On behalf of the club, the Pozzo family acknowledges that Sean's positive contribution to Watford FC dates back long before his appointment as manager in June 2011.
"The Pozzo family also recognises Sean's impeccable conduct, representing the Hornets with honour and dignity at all times. His achievements under difficult circumstances mean he will rightly be held in high regard by Watford supporters."
Although former Italy international Zola is a popular figure in English football, there will be some sympathy for Dyche, who was promoted from assistant manager when Malky Mackay left the club last summer to join Cardiff.'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18687313

Seems the owners just wanted their own man.

Sounds a lot more convincing than Sherwood at least...

 

[Gutter Boy]

Out of interest - does anyone know if FdB played erikson in centre while at Ajax?

Yeah - centre in a 4-3-3.

Fischer played left of the front 3.

 

[chancer]

Eurgh, I can't believe I'm considering this but perhaps keeping Sherwood for next season might not be so disastrous....

I've been heavily critical of the bloke but most of that stems more from his personality and his (apparent) off the field politics, but is there an argument for 'better the devil you know'. He has got some some decent results, I actually like his approach to selecting players based on training performance, I like his attitude towards the youth, and if he manages to control his mouth a little is he anymore dislikable that Harry? His reign so far has been tumultuous but it's worth considering if keeping him cause any less upheaval than yet another new manager for the players to get used to.

As it stands, bar LVG, I can't see any outstanding potential candidates. Every single one of them presents a risk, and I'm uncertain whether any options really fit Spurs and our requirements.

That's pretty much exactly how I see it. And I think there's a very good chance it's the way Levy and the board will see it too.

> Do Levy and the board really have the stomach to hand Spaletti or Pochettino their full faith, emotional commitment and transfer kitty, knowing in their hearts that he's their 3rd or 4th choice behind LvG, FdB, Rafa, Ancelotti etc.? Why should any of them or any of us find that acceptable?

> Can Levy bear the thought of the press release he'd have to write, release and stand over:

- "The entire board unanimously and wholeheartedly decided that Massimo Allegri is the right man for the job."
- "Spurs couldn't hope to find a better man than Laudrup".
- "We have 100% faith and confidence in David Moyes".
- "Mancini brings exactly the qualities we at Spurs cherish".

There's no press release you could write about any of them that would be wholly true (unlike the press release when AVB arrived, which would have been 100% honest that he was top choice and we all genuinely had high hopes for him). With poor old Tactical Timbo though you wouldn't even need a press release - just let him get on with it as per his existing contract.

> Do Levy and the board have the stomach to raid SCBC again? Or to launch an all-out assault on Napoli for FSW? Or embarrass themselves by getting rejected by Simeone or Conte and then have to pick someone else when they say no?

> Can Levy and the board bear the nightmare of us being 2 from 8, or 15th at Christmas as some new guy, who they only half believed in to begin with, tries to implement his ideas? What the hell do they do then? Total nightmare.

> What if we appoint some lesser choice, and then FdB or CA becomes available next summer? Easy to sack Sherwood in that instance, not so easy to sack an outsider who's only 1 year into a 3/4 year contract/"project". We'd then have to watch de Boer head off to some other club knowing that he could have been ours if we didn't have the other guy.

............

It's not that Levy and the board would rejoice at appointing Sherwood, it's simply that there's a weird combination of circumstances at this particular moment in time that is pushing them that way.

 

[Gutter Boy]

If we keep Sherwood, are people prepared to see all of Verts, Lloris, Sandro, Lamela, Dembele, Capoue, Holtby, Chirches and possibly now Eriksen leave?

Because they are the senior players he's already alienated or who will demand to play for a professional manager.

And they'll be replaced by youth teamers and a few 'character' players like Milner and Lescott.

We need a coach who can work with our squad, not someone who despises 90% of it.