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Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

Do you want Tim Sherwood to stay as manager?


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Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

For the record I am not really going to blame Sherwood for today's defeat. We were toothless up front but with a severely weakened squad and just 2 recognised strikers who were firing blanks what could he really do?

Sack the physios? Managers change, they remain constant. So does our injury list. Coincidence? :p
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Injury table

We're peaking in terms of the number of players out right now, but all teams have injuries and particularly those that are in Europe.

I was only joking, but honestly, the likes of Dembele and Kaboul developing seemingly chronic injuries while playing for us and the huge injury list we have every year have got me wondering what exactly our physios are doing in their offices to produce this situation year in, year out. What is going wrong, fitness-wise? Because although every team has injuries, I don't think any team contracts muscular injuries at the rate we do, and with the regularity that we do. Something, somewhere, seems off, either in our training regime, our fitness regime or our physio regime. However, we've been through three managerial changes in the past three years alone, and they've undoubtedly all changed the training and fitness regimes to suit their styles. Yet our injury list remains, unmoving and eternal. So where does it come from, I wonder?
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Sherwood's post-match quotes…fair play to him, he makes very good, strong points which its hard to argue against although I don't necessarily agree with him! I also like the fact he is prepared to defend Rose publicly and to back him for the future (even if I don't rate him as good enough)…

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/9102347/fa-cup-tim-sherwood-happy-with-tactics-after-tottenham-lose-2-0-at-arsenal

Tottenham Hotspur manager Tim Sherwood defended his tactics after the 2-0 defeat by Arsenal in the third round of the FA Cup.

Goals from Santi Cazorla and Tomas Rosicky secured Arsenal victory at the Emirates Stadium as Spurs often appeared outnumber in the centre of midfield.

However, Sherwood was happy with his use of a 4-4-2 formation and says he only changed it in the second half because midfielder Nacer Chadli had to come on for injured striker Roberto Soldado.

When asked whether he thought he should have played more midfielders to match Wenger's line-up, the Tottenham boss said: "No.

"They outnumbered us in the middle of the park but we outnumbered them out wide. They can't have it all ways. I think we were fine.

"We didn't lose the game because we were outnumbered in the middle of the pitch.

"A lot is made of systems - 4-4-2, 4-3-3 or whatever you want to call it... It's about passing the ball to your own team and keeping hold of it because when you lose the ball you are always going to be out of shape - otherwise you are going to be a rigid, boring team."
Tim Sherwood
"A lot is made of systems - 4-4-2, 4-3-3 or whatever you want to call it... It's about passing the ball to your own team and keeping hold of it because when you lose the ball you are always going to be out of shape - otherwise you are going to be a rigid, boring team.

"It's about funnelling back in, shuffling across. I don't think we were overrun in the middle of the park. I think they did all right."

Sherwood felt his team were always going to be up against it because of a crippling injury list that forced him to hand 19-year-old Nabil Bentaleb his full debut.

"I am disappointed with the result, but we didn't disgrace ourselves," the former Blackburn midfielder said.

"We showed we belong on the same field and in the same company as Arsenal.

"It has been six games in 17 days for us and we probably have the smallest squad in the league with the amount of injuries we have had.

"We were fatigued. A little bit of sharpness was missing but it could have gone either way.

"They showed great character and I am proud of them."

Cazorla put Arsenal ahead in the first half after the hosts took advantage of some slack marking by Vlad Chiriches and Kyle Walker.

The second goal came as a result of a huge error by Danny Rose as the left-back dallied on the ball when he was the last man stationed on the halfway line.

Rosicky won possession and ran 40 yards before lifting the ball over the advancing Hugo Lloris, but Sherwood backed the youngster to recover from the mistake as he said: "Danny is a good lad. He doesn't shirk any responsibility.

"I will never berate anyone for making a mistake. But he has got the character, he has got big enough shoulders to move on and I am sure he will be ready to play on Saturday."
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I was only joking, but honestly, the likes of Dembele and Kaboul developing seemingly chronic injuries while playing for us and the huge injury list we have every year have got me wondering what exactly our physios are doing in their offices to produce this situation year in, year out. What is going wrong, fitness-wise? Because although every team has injuries, I don't think any team contracts muscular injuries at the rate we do, and with the regularity that we do. Something, somewhere, seems off, either in our training regime, our fitness regime or our physio regime. However, we've been through three managerial changes in the past three years alone, and they've undoubtedly all changed the training and fitness regimes to suit their styles. Yet our injury list remains, unmoving and eternal. So where does it come from, I wonder?

Dembele's problem is pre-Spurs, just needs to be managed properly. Kaboul did his knee in a game, then a thigh muscle when returning to the U21s 8 months later. Paulinho got injured in a game. Freak incidents happen. We've gotten better at not rushing players back before they're ready though, which undoubtedly adds to the number of unavailable players at times.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Poor from Tim today, especially in such a massive game. Naive as hell both tactically and in terms of selection for me.

Will give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he fixes it for our next few games. Jury still very much out...
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Poor from Tim today, especially in such a massive game. Naive as hell both tactically and in terms of selection for me.

Will give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he fixes it for our next few games. Jury still very much out...

Can you explain why you think he was naive tactically and with his selection?

What would you have done in the circumstances?

This isn't a defend TS at all costs post by the way! it's a genuine question that I'd be interested to hear your thoughts
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Sure.

Tactics - 4-4-2. That's suitable at home against defend-deep and dig-in teams like Stoke (who are also little threat on the break). Against Arsenal though, a team who manipulate the ball better than most and control games in the middle of the park it was suicidal from us. Literally handed them the initiative from kickoff with the hope we could somehow do them via some counter attacks.

Selection - Bentaleb should not have been making his full debut at the Library. ESPECIALLY in a two-man midfield. I felt for the guy.

I realise due to injuries Tim's options weren't all that, but he was careless in my book.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Like the managers comments.

People reacting as though most teams go to their place and win 0-5 regularly. We were in the game for most of it, lacked fit players to bring in, and played almost the same side 3 days ago.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Good comments from TS, I think he has a good tactical mind and we will be ok under him.

Don't agree that we showed we belonged on the same pitch as them today though. Everton a few weeks ago - that was a team showing they belonged. Us today, if we were wearing Cardiff's colours you wouldn't be surprised at the performance in front of you.

But I suspect he's only being positive because he didn't expect too much from the game with the injuries and the fatigue, and I'm ok with that.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Sure.

Tactics - 4-4-2. That's suitable at home against defend-deep and dig-in teams like Stoke (who are also little threat on the break). Against Arsenal though, a team who manipulate the ball better than most and control games in the middle of the park it was suicidal from us. Literally handed them the initiative from kickoff with the hope we could somehow do them via some counter attacks.

Selection - Bentaleb should not have been making his full debut at the Library. ESPECIALLY in a two-man midfield. I felt for the guy.

I realise due to injuries Tim's options weren't all that, but he was careless in my book.

I'm not sure his tactics are as simple as 442 though. From what he said above about 'funnelling in and shifting across' I think he wanted Ade or Soldado to drop in and make a 451 when we were defending. I don't think either of them done that particularly well.

What formation and team would you have chosen taking into account the injuries?

The post match interview seems to suggest injuries forced the bentelab start, if Capoue is injured (??) then I don't think he could have done much else. If Capoue is fit, then yes I would agree with you that Bentelab should not have started.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I'm not sure his tactics are as simple as 442 though. From what he said above about 'funnelling in and shifting across' I think he wanted Ade or Soldado to drop in and make a 451 when we were defending. I don't think either of them done that particularly well.

What formation and team would you have chosen taking into account the injuries?

The post match interview seems to suggest injuries forced the bentelab start, if Capoue is injured (??) then I don't think he could have done much else. If Capoue is fit, then yes I would agree with you that Bentelab should not have started.

I agree. I think people need to get this 442 premise out of their head, and like you say its not as simple as that. It is this premise that is stuck in peoples head that is causing this who TS is a Harry mk2 etc. Its peoples preconceived ideas that is contributing to their idea of what TS is rather than basing it on evidence on the pitch and thus far there is not enough evidence to draw a proper conclusion YET.

He has already spoken about how he wants his team i.e. SPURS to play and that takes time - facets like transitioning etc will take time
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I'm not sure his tactics are as simple as 442 though. From what he said above about 'funnelling in and shifting across' I think he wanted Ade or Soldado to drop in and make a 451 when we were defending. I don't think either of them done that particularly well.

What formation and team would you have chosen taking into account the injuries?

The post match interview seems to suggest injuries forced the bentelab start, if Capoue is injured (??) then I don't think he could have done much else. If Capoue is fit, then yes I would agree with you that Bentelab should not have started.

It was clearly 442 to me. It's ok to imagine that it should've been 451... but in reality it was 442.

Fact is we were outnumbered in the middle and had no supply for 90 minutes, and tis didn't try anything excepted going wide.

What else could he do given the injuries? Plenty! Think Bolton stoke and the likes. what about sitting back inviting deep with 2 banks of four and counter attacking with speed....

Sherwood may have decided to stick to 442 for good reasons, but you can't say he didn't have options tactically.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Poor from Tim today, especially in such a massive game. Naive as hell both tactically and in terms of selection for me.

Will give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he fixes it for our next few games. Jury still very much out...

i look at this post and cant believe people were going to give avb 3 years before making any judgement but tim gets like 6 to 10 games

LOL
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

i look at this post and cant believe people were going to give avb 3 years before making any judgement but tim gets like 6 to 10 games

LOL

And he hasn't been able to pick Sandro or Vertonghen, only had Paulinho for one game, Lamela has got injured...let's at least have the full compliment of players available! His one game with Paulinho, he got more out of him than AVB ever managed to.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Found out. That lasted long.

No ideas and no fight today. We've got our (1990s) Tottenham back

Yeah i totally agree with you

No ideas, no fight and an absolute battering. couldnt agree more...for players to have no fight and no idea how to respond in a game .... shocking

I mean really , what was AVB thinking? after the 6-0, the 5-0, the inept clueless draws and a goal difference of minus 10

AVB is ****ing useless i agree, he has brought back the dark ages...hope he gets sacked soon as.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

i look at this post and cant believe people were going to give avb 3 years before making any judgement but tim gets like 6 to 10 games

LOL

Are you surprised? unfortunately this is the biggest reason that I think Levy ****ed up with appointing TS.

With a name/brand, people are far more likely to accept the person's experience/achievements as indicators that they can/will get it right.

Every time TS losses, he will be under the spotlight, questions on naivety, tactics, systems, player choices, subs, because he is an unknown quantity.

Personally, I think it has him doomed to failure .. the inevitable blip in fortune will come .. I expect he's gone in summer.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

And he hasn't been able to pick Sandro or Vertonghen, only had Paulinho for one game, Lamela has got injured...let's at least have the full compliment of players available! His one game with Paulinho, he got more out of him than AVB ever managed to.

its pretty clear that some people are out to get Tim sherwood on here, our manager might need some well balanced assistance

i agree with you totally on your post btw...it doesnt stop there

lloris on bad form and confidence.
able to work with the players to communicate what he wants going forward
taking over a dejected team

there is a lot to do...and all people care about is getting on his back

edit:- oh sorry, forgot the board rules....by people i mean, scara, gutter, stenno....there i think i avoided the "cowards" tag well enough with 3 names
 
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