Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

[Nigeyman]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Ultimately my judgement will be left to trophies and end of season results.

Its easy to spin a situation, we beat Southampton away but did not beat West Brom at home which could be argued as a bad result all things considered. But as I say I will leave my judgement to overall success.

I do see abit of Harry Redknapp in his ethos though, get the ball out wide quickly, high tempo and sliding balls into the box...I remember tons of the "fast out the traps" games under Harry and Tim has the same feel

top post! I also see a bit of this...If there was one thing I loved about the harry era it was those days when we flew out the traps and obliterated the opposition.

But yes we can judge ts over these six months....hopefully in a fair way without the bias.......I see no reason why we cant finish top 4 or very close and I see no reason why we cant go all the way in the europa.

 

[JerusalemMan]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

NBD himself has spoken a couple of times about how football's "a simple game" which hasn't been true for a long time. There are other hints, like saying that he doesn't want training to seem like work, he wants it to be fun for the lads and how he would like to be like Redknapp, etc.

There may be a significant difference between his public presentation and choice of words and the media compared to his methodology behind the scenes when mainly his co-workers see what goes on.
I've read a lot over the years from that Windy fella and his words about Sherwood don't marry up with the idea that he has no system of his own or, at least, doesn't have great awareness of different systems and willingness to implement them.

 

[scaramanga]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

There may be a significant difference between his public presentation and choice of words and the media compared to his methodology behind the scenes when mainly his co-workers see what goes on.
I've read a lot over the years from that Windy fella and his words about Sherwood don't marry up with the idea that he has no system of his own or, at least, doesn't have great awareness of different systems and willingness to implement them.

That may be. I'm not sure what's worse though, being dumb or being intelligent and acting dumb.

Who's Windy?

 

[Nigeyman]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

That may be. I'm not sure what's worse though, being dumb or being intelligent and acting dumb.

Who's Windy?

I know whats worse.....A very intelligent poster on this forum that throughout my time on here has made brilliant post's and was a major factor in why I decided to sign up and join in the first place....

suddenly.........

Becomes very biased and one dimensional in his views....refuses to acknowledge a decent peformance despite the cold hard turkey staring him in the face and starts acting like a panto villain.

 

[africanspurs]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I don't think AVB needs to get the hang of being a manager of men. I think he has that down fine. At Porto the players loved him, and here the players backed him right until the end. The Ade, Benny examples and similar situations at Chelsea are examples of him wanting a squad full of players comitted to the team, rather than as an individual. He wants a certain personality type running through the squad and doesn't want deviation from that. I think someone like Van Gaal would be the same. It's not a question of his capability to manage men, it's whether or not he wants certain types of men in his squad.

I think what AVB needs is a club that trusts him in the same way that Liverpool trust Rodgers and Everton trust Martinez. He may like a DOF to do the negotiating for him but he needs to get the players that will make his very clear ideas work in practice so he doesn't have to deviate too much. He probably won't find that in England.

Anyway he's gone, hopefully we can all back Sherwood or at least discuss Sherwood without using the 'if only AVB did this' or 'this shows what a plonker AVB was' or some other such thing. They had different ideas which would require different decisions to be made, and both can work if backed. Not aimed at you but in general.

its okay if it was aimed at me tbf mate, i just think that those who might not have held AVB in highest regard are not the only ones that it 'appears' need to disparage the former to big up the current.

it goes the other way as well

i do however think that the man management side of AVB is lacking. before he signed i said that.....when he signed i even mentioned to a few people who the people from the club that didnt hold him in high regard were , via PM.....cant say i was 100% right as 2 of them seemed to be incorporated into his plans

i knew he would have, or at least thought it very likely he would have the same problem at chelsea with us...but i was wrong in how much it would be..i thought it would be worse from the personnel underneath him but i did think he would get more support from levy and that he would handle it better seeing as he had experience from chelsea

none of this stuff surprised me one bit with regards to some of the rumours of what went on behind the scenes/ what suprised me was his sacking and lack of support from levy.

part of being a manager is to be able to work with the resources you have and cater to them. you can have the right kind of people there but unless you dont want a blow back you have to treat people with respect...ALL of them, dont alienate, dont form final judgements on people and be sure that your plans or wishes are carried out before you do anything that might be seen as aggressive...especially in England.

IMO he has a man management issue. it happened at chelsea and it happened with us...both to varying degrees.

 

[africanspurs]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I know whats worse.....A very intelligent poster on this forum that throughout my time on here has made brilliant post's and was a major factor in why I decided to sign up and join in the first place....

suddenly.........

Becomes very biased and one dimensional in his views....refuses to acknowledge a decent peformance despite the cold hard turkey staring him in the face and starts acting like a panto villain.

biased and one dimensional aspect i have noticed is down to personal preference. i dont agre that he acts like a panto villain though, you have to understand that he supports this club too and he wants to enjoy it. how can he when harry redknapp is in charge? or one of the 'lads' harry brought in takes the helm?

 

[Nigeyman]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

biased and one dimensional aspect i have noticed is down to personal preference. i dont agre that he acts like a panto villain though, you have to understand that he supports this club too and he wants to enjoy it. how can he when harry redknapp is in charge? or one of the 'lads' harry brought in takes the helm?

not enjoying a 3-0 win is beyond me.

poo pooing on optismism is a little villain-ish 'stoke reserves' comment and so on.........but ok It was a silly statement I retract it and apologise.

perhaps its just me but we have had some beatings this year and some very low points......so it grates a little the idea that we are not allowed to enjoy a 3-0 win without the negativity creeping in....yes I know it was only Stoke but we have had precious little to get excited over in recent times.

It disapoints me when people's who's intellect probably far outstrips my own do themselves a dis-service by not anaylysing things properly because they have some notion in their head about what sort of man TS really is......none of us really know how he is behind closed doors...the players through the media of course are making positive noises.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

its okay if it was aimed at me tbf mate, i just think that those who might not have held AVB in highest regard are not the only ones that it 'appears' need to disparage the former to big up the current.

it goes the other way as well

i do however think that the man management side of AVB is lacking. before he signed i said that.....when he signed i even mentioned to a few people who the people from the club that didnt hold him in high regard were , via PM.....cant say i was 100% right as 2 of them seemed to be incorporated into his plans

i knew he would have, or at least thought it very likely he would have the same problem at chelsea with us...but i was wrong in how much it would be..i thought it would be worse from the personnel underneath him but i did think he would get more support from levy and that he would handle it better seeing as he had experience from chelsea

none of this stuff surprised me one bit with regards to some of the rumours of what went on behind the scenes/ what suprised me was his sacking and lack of support from levy.

part of being a manager is to be able to work with the resources you have and cater to them. you can have the right kind of people there but unless you dont want a blow back you have to treat people with respect...ALL of them, dont alienate, dont form final judgements on people and be sure that your plans or wishes are carried out before you do anything that might be seen as aggressive...especially in England.

IMO he has a man management issue. it happened at chelsea and it happened with us...both to varying degrees.

I think though that the idea of sending certain people away from the squad isn't an AVB one...it's a pretty common one from certain coaches that want a team ethic running through the entire squad, that they will send certain players away because they are more disruptive to the overall goal of establishing the squad as a certain type.

AVB was able to make use of his resources last season, he worked with what he was given and got on with all players. He is capable of doing it. But this year he wanted to move the squad into the next phase which was getting it how he wants it...and ultimately he wasn't backed as you say.

 

[Raziel]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

However poor Stoke were kudos to Sherwood for changing things up yesterday formation and personnel-wise.

With the way Pauli was playing TS could have easily left him out and gone with eriksen dembele central but he stuck Pauli in there and got a great performance.

I also like eriksen in the left mid role that modric started with us, drifting in from the left with an overlaping full back-a throw back to harrys style before bale became a left wing star.

think this should be the formation for the rest of the season- even when townsend is back, he and chadli can fight for azza's place on the RW, holtby and siggy can fight for eriksens place on the LW, dembele capoue sandro and pauli can fight for the CM places. Lamela for me should be swapping in up front for soldadi.

Now if we buy an out and out left winger like say salah of basel fame, id be tempted to move on siggy as the spare part in the team. That said i dont think levy will let Sherwood make any moves in the winter window, targetting the summer one for an overhaul.

the big difference since avbs departure had been ade starting consistently upfront slongside soldado. However good avb is or was this one blind spot of his to refuse to play ade when his other strikers were misfiring surely added to his undoing. And its worked in our favour as ade now has something to prove. I would still like to see someone bought in ad competition, be that the rumoured Gomis or shane long, but that one change alone has made us a better team.

Levy needs to let Sherwood buy in January

I think 4th is out of our reach now, but will definitely be so if we make no buys.

JD leaving rumor refuses to go away, we are still light in the FB area. Don't think we need 20M+ type purchases, but we need some. Players with pace would also help.

 

[Bullet]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

It seems like THE WONKY is back and we can all get on board with that

The left sided midfielder tucks in, so we desperately need a good left back to bomb on and provide the width. Rose is pretty good at this, but we do need another option there i.e. Luke Shaw or similar cheaper option.

Other than that I think this post I've paraphrased covers it well... anyone care to disagree

I like eriksen in the left mid role that modric started with us, drifting in from the left with an overlaping full back...this should be the formation

Townsend and Chadli can fight for Lennon's place on the Right Wing

Holtby and Siggy can fight for Eriksen's place on the Left of midfield

Midfield 2 of Dembele Capoue Sandro and Pauli [[Bentaleb, Carroll]]

Lamela should be swapping in up front for Soldado.... [[swap Defoe for an athlete like Gomis or better]]

We actually have quite a lot of good cover in the squad when you look at the above, so we don't need much more... and can retain freshness and avoid injuries by rotating properly throughout the season, not waiting for injury or tiredness to creep in.

 

[onlyme]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Very early days yet but 7 points from the 9 available gives Sherwood the best statistical record of any Spurs manager in the Premier League Era...

Tottenham Hotspur Manager's Records & Statistics 1898-2013

...of course, the big test will come on New Year's Day but a win at Old Trafford will have plenty of Spurs fans eating humble pie.

Surely he has best Spurs manager's stats of all time?

 

[onlyme]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

That may be. I'm not sure what's worse though, being dumb or being intelligent and acting dumb.

Who's Windy?

Being dumb and acting intelligent is worserer.

Windy is probably the biggest Spurs fan in the world. He goes to all the youth games and follows all the loanees.

 

[milo]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

It seems like THE WONKY is back and we can all get on board with that

The left sided midfielder tucks in, so we desperately need a good left back to bomb on and provide the width. Rose is pretty good at this, but we do need another option there i.e. Luke Shaw or similar cheaper option.

Other than that I think this post I've paraphrased covers it well... anyone care to disagree



We actually have quite a lot of good cover in the squad when you look at the above, so we don't need much more... and can retain freshness and avoid injuries by rotating properly throughout the season, not waiting for injury or tiredness to creep in.

Interesting and probably offers the best balance of the options we have available. The one point I disagree on though is Lamela as cover for Soldado, if we are going to play him centrally, I would suggest that he is a more natural replacement for Ade.

 

[onlyme]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Levy needs to let Sherwood buy in January

I think 4th is out of our reach now, but will definitely be so if we make no buys.

JD leaving rumor refuses to go away, we are still light in the FB area. Don't think we need 20M+ type purchases, but we need some. Players with pace would also help.

Tall striker and LB is all we need.

 

[Kingdawson]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Levy needs to let Sherwood buy in January

I think 4th is out of our reach now, but will definitely be so if we make no buys.

JD leaving rumor refuses to go away, we are still light in the FB area. Don't think we need 20M+ type purchases, but we need some. Players with pace would also help.

New signings is exactly what we don't need. Maybe bring in a lb on loan (or recall Benny) and that's it.

 

[milo]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

New signings is exactly what we don't need. Maybe bring in a lb on loan (or recall Benny) and that's it.

I think that we need another striker if Defoe is off

 

[Kingdawson]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I think that we need another striker if Defoe is off

Do you trust this chairman to recruit the necessary quality needed to improve us upfront in the month of January? If Defoe goes in March the we'll still have Soldado, Ade, Kane and Lamela...not ideal but not the worst crop of strikers to last 1 month.

I mean if we can get a good striker on a loan then i'm all for it, but not a permanent signing.

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

New signings is exactly what we don't need. Maybe bring in a lb on loan (or recall Benny) and that's it.

This, for me, will be the most interesting move of the window. We saw fryers come through a dodgy 25 mins to finish his Prem debut looking very solid with the promise of more to come. If Benny comes back then effectively, Fryers is scrap-heaped. I wonder if Sherwood will stick with Fryers, my hunch says he will. I DO think he will find room for Carroll, and if he does, Holtby could be the one to make room...

 

[Cochise]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Morata on loan??

 

[Jurgen the German]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Morata on loan??

Behave. Arsenal have first refusal as part of their partnership with Real Madrid.