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*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur vs Everton ***

BrainOfLevy said:
He should have left it, he needs to be adaptable and I don't think any excuses can be made for him. There was a massive shout and he fudged up. It cost us the game.
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Twice. He fudged up twice. Show me a 20 year old Ledley King and I'll show you an impulsive young defender who made quite a few errors while learning. In a PL era when teams were far less inclined to punish your mistakes than they are now.

He has a valid excuse, and I don't blame him. If I were to single out players for blame, it would be Ade, for completely failing to do the job he was supposed to do, i.e hold up possession and bring others into the game.
 
Mumorn said:
I just can't help that it's not just 3 points wasted though.

Sure, there are numerous games left in the league but we really need to get this good start. We are pretty much a new team. We have a new manager, a new system with a complete new style of players with Dempsey, Dembele, Vertonghen, Lloris starting. A win here today would have done A LOT more than see us go joint 3rd in the table, it does A LOT more then sends out a message to other teams. It installs confidence. Not many teams have gone to Goodison and got a win. Man Utd lost there. We win there today and we can achieve a lot.

We go into the Swansea game next week in front of home fans knowing that a win would see us 3 points clear in 3rd place above Chelsea and certainly for a few hours before West Brom kick off later. Which then installs MORE confidence into the team and especially AVB going into Stoke at home knowing 3 points can see us go 6 points clear of his old club and keep up with City in 2nd (especially if they end up dropping points at all to Saudi Sportswashing Machine or Reading).

This isn't "oh, it's Everton, who are good at home, we didn't deserve to lose but we didn't expect much anyway". This is stone wall three points lost. Three points dropped. I'm not singling out players because it's the team who fudged it up. Adebayor and Defoe didn't do anything today. Vertonghen was beaten far too often, Walker was beaten and out of position and for some reason taking set pieces. Caulker should have listened to Lloris. I could go on. We should have won this game. In fact it's pathetic that we didn't and a reason why I believe we aren't going to get 4th place this season.

Too many times we feel to try and invite teams on when we are winning. Why? I have no idea. Maybe AVB thinks that if we can withstand a barrage it will make the team feel more united? more confident in seeing out anything. winning dirty?. fudge that. We go to the corner, we waste time. We make sure we get those 3 points by any means necessary. What about the players though? They couldn't care less that they didn't get the 3 points today, it's a job to them. They still get paid. What about the paying away fans though who come to cheer there team to win, only to see fudging errors from PROFESSIONAL fudging FOOTBALLERS fudging up at there job cost us not only two points but fudging 3.

flimflam.
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We've had a fragile defence that looked weak under bombardment for years. The only way we've ever defended successfully was by keeping the ball. We would close out games where we were 1-0 up by dominating the midfield and passing it. VDV, BAE and Modric though were key for doing that.
 
Modric THFC said:
That was due to Dembele replacing Lennon though really. Lennon was barely in the game. Dembele got lots of possession going out the right and cutting inside.
Huddlestone himself misplaced pass after pass.
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Huddlestone fed a number of good, incisive balls forward and did well under pressure a number of times. He fed Dempsey. Dembele was good on the right too and that was part of the sub. It worked.

The subs worked in general. The team played well, we made Everton look pretty ordinary. An individual error from a young centre back cost us the game. We'll be ok.
 
Gallas is so fudging lucky to be playing for us at the moment, he really is brick, and in football terms, completely brain dead.

Caulker made a stupid mistake yet again, not listening to Lloris' call, lloris did equally bad not saving it.

We should not have lost that, tinkled off beyond belief.

Kaboul and BAE could not come back sooner.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Twice. He fudged up twice. Show me a 20 year old Ledley King and I'll show you an impulsive young defender who made quite a few errors while learning. In a PL era when teams were far less inclined to punish your mistakes than they are now.

He has a valid excuse, and I don't blame him. If I were to single out players for blame, it would be Ade, for completely failing to do the job he was supposed to do, i.e hold up possession and bring others into the game.
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I don't disagree. Caulker will make mistakes. I don't hold it against him. Just wish he would have left it. :-(
 
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Poor guy didn't know Jelavic had scored.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Twice. He fudged up twice. Show me a 20 year old Ledley King and I'll show you an impulsive young defender who made quite a few errors while learning. In a PL era when teams were far less inclined to punish your mistakes than they are now.

He has a valid excuse, and I don't blame him. If I were to single out players for blame, it would be Ade, for completely failing to do the job he was supposed to do, i.e hold up possession and bring others into the game.
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He had nobody around him to bring into play. Always surrounded by Everton players. Defoe completely invisible 99% of the game. Not sure where Dempsey was, but our left side left acres of space for Everton's players all the time.
 
Mumorn said:
I just can't help that it's not just 3 points wasted though.

Sure, there are numerous games left in the league but we really need to get this good start. We are pretty much a new team. We have a new manager, a new system with a complete new style of players with Dempsey, Dembele, Vertonghen, Lloris starting. A win here today would have done A LOT more than see us go joint 3rd in the table, it does A LOT more then sends out a message to other teams. It installs confidence. Not many teams have gone to Goodison and got a win. Man Utd lost there. We win there today and we can achieve a lot.

We go into the Swansea game next week in front of home fans knowing that a win would see us 3 points clear in 3rd place above Chelsea and certainly for a few hours before West Brom kick off later. Which then installs MORE confidence into the team and especially AVB going into Stoke at home knowing 3 points can see us go 6 points clear of his old club and keep up with City in 2nd (especially if they end up dropping points at all to Saudi Sportswashing Machine or Reading).

This isn't "oh, it's Everton, who are good at home, we didn't deserve to lose but we didn't expect much anyway". This is stone wall three points lost. Three points dropped. I'm not singling out players because it's the team who fudged it up. Adebayor and Defoe didn't do anything today. Vertonghen was beaten far too often, Walker was beaten and out of position and for some reason taking set pieces. Caulker should have listened to Lloris. I could go on. We should have won this game. In fact it's pathetic that we didn't and a reason why I believe we aren't going to get 4th place this season.

Too many times we feel to try and invite teams on when we are winning. Why? I have no idea. Maybe AVB thinks that if we can withstand a barrage it will make the team feel more united? more confident in seeing out anything. winning dirty?. fudge that. We go to the corner, we waste time. We make sure we get those 3 points by any means necessary. What about the players though? They couldn't care less that they didn't get the 3 points today, it's a job to them. They still get paid. What about the paying away fans though who come to cheer there team to win, only to see fudging errors from PROFESSIONAL fudging FOOTBALLERS fudging up at there job cost us not only two points but fudging 3.

flimflam.
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completely agree with all of that.

It seems to me from the top of the club right to the bottom (the fans) its "ok" to lose. Its Everton away hard game.

Point is we were comfortable and still manage to lose.. Bad enough getting a draw so late on but 2 goals is unacceptable! basic errors cost us yet again!
 
charlietheyid said:
People are blaming Caulker for not leaving that ball to LLoris, but he has never had a keeper behind him in Friedel.

They are just not used to it yet. Thats why we keep paying the price for playing the old man.

But it will come.
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thats crap mate.. its a basic error!
 
DubaiSpur said:
As a final reflection on the game; we could really have done with Parker here. Those four-yard sideways passes would have helped immeasurably when the team lost its collective mind and started trying to blast it.
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Livermore could have done the exact same job. Huddlestone is never gonna keep the ball for you. Put him on and he wants to ping the ball around, especially when he feels he has to impress.
 
GLENROYID said:
Gallas is so fudging lucky to be playing for us at the moment, he really is brick, and in football terms, completely brain dead.

Caulker made a stupid mistake yet again, not listening to Lloris' call, lloris did equally bad not saving it.

We should not have lost that, tinkled off beyond belief.

Kaboul and BAE could not come back sooner.
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Your prejudice is showing. Thought Gallas was excellent today. Several timely get-out-of-gaol clearances and tackles.
 
Jordinho said:
He had nobody around him to bring into play. Always surrounded by Everton players. Defoe completely invisible 99% of the game. Not sure where Dempsey was, but our left side left acres of space for Everton's players all the time.
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Defoe's not exempt from blame, but Ade had a critical job to do; come deep, receive, hold on to the ball, spread it. In the absence of Bale, the only way we were going to create something was if we played a measured build-up across the pitch, in front of their penalty area. We know Ade can do that; we've seen him do it. He didn't today.
 
DubaiSpur said:
fudging sickener. Absolutely sickening.

Sigh.

fudging sickening.

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Sigh. Two things, then.

1) If we were to lose to two injury-time goals, I'd rather it be to Everton than anyone else. They've impressed me this season, and they're the least offensive team I can think of in a sea of tossers.

2)We were competitive, and full value for a point, if not more. Sometimes, however, things don't go your way; or rather, they go against you because some football GHod stubbed his toe at the Lane and decided to curse us forever.

Pick up, dust off, move on.
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This
 
kanoute16 said:
We showed no endeavour, no ambition, no creativity, no movement off the ball, no desire to even try to get behind them.

We gave them the ball back ALL the time, we were happy to sit deep and ride our luck at times.

We got lucky with the goal, unlucky with the bar and then we fudged it all up because our defense panics.

This loss has been coming because the last three games have papered over the cracks.

Movement, accurate passing and ball retention! All lacking and any win as been down to whether we can score before the opposition.

We got away with it against Liverpool but not today.

I don't like AVB and the above is why!
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I agree with most of that, i like AVB though and think its more about the players being a bit thick and a bit lazy
 
I watch Liverscum now and they have come out second half and dominated. Playing with a great deal of urgency etc.
 
Would it make any diff to the team mentality if Everton scored twice first before we pulled one back?

We scored first for the 12th times of the season, but only went on to collect full points on 7 occassions.
 
DHSF said:
I watch Liverscum now and they have come out second half and dominated. Playing with a great deal of urgency etc.
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They are away at West Ham who are a weaker team than Everton and are below us in the league. Both ourselves and Liverpool have been incredibly inconsistent performance wise but we are ahead of them still. I dont think they are a great example to use as to how we should be playing.
 
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